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#93802 Diamonds, diamonds, diamonds, are a Rev fliers best friend......

Posted by REVflyer on 16 October 2013 - 01:21 AM

The difference is a snappy response to inputs, a "feel" thing, more noticeable on the Zen, due to it's larger size

#93759 Hello

Posted by REVflyer on 10 October 2013 - 04:39 AM

Saw Rick flying the other day at Sandy Point SP with both quads & dualies, man he's such a good flyer. He already owns his inverted hover and has fully grasped the principles of reverse flight, to say nothing of his mastery on Lam's sport kites on 2 string tricks. We watched him while eating lunch doing the most amazing things, stuff where we knew he was stuck w/the walk of shame, Nope! A couple yanks and he's relaunched (but in the fade position), we actually began applause, stood and bowed towards him. We then witnessed him interacting with a family traveling towards the bay water with his B-Pro full sail. We again stood and howled when he captured a tree about shoulder height. Rick is such a welcome addition to our club's activities, eventually my bride will hook him into the NASM museum circuit with his family and indoor kites as well.

#93654 My thoughts on the new Diamond rods

Posted by REVflyer on 01 October 2013 - 11:08 PM

My experience with weighing was handing my bride a tube from each of the Zen kites and then waiting for her to tell me which was lighter. One has Zen tubes, the other Diamond. Her carefully calibrated senses claimed the new tubes significantly superior despite the addl. cost! She's no quad head but has purchased enough rev products to buy a new car with all that cash if I wasn't involved w/her life.

#93636 Diamonds, diamonds, diamonds, are a Rev fliers best friend......

Posted by REVflyer on 30 September 2013 - 06:43 AM

Compared diamond rods in SUL Bazzer pro 1.5 and zen format, the big size has more impact on effortless, it was dead calm, heavy fog and wet ground. I flew on 60'/90# LPG and 100'/50# LPG both on 15 inch throw no-snags. The zen was a clear-cut winner on 3-D stuff or the long reach on fifty# lines. Effortless doesn't mean stationary, but I could occasionally during the day fly from a lawn chair! Switched the handles and kites, even tuned the set- up to a neutral, even alignment from a stake, neither line set has sleeving. Overall another smashing success story by Rev kites, next comparison on travel frames vs full sized, to be continued.....

#93608 Hand Positions

Posted by REVflyer on 26 September 2013 - 10:21 AM

I use "D" when trying to back-up extensively also (like the reverse octagon precision figure just as an example).  My low wind set-up has longer throw handles, so I work less and the kite does more.



less than 3 mph sounds like our local conditions in Washington DC, we call it five months of indoor flying with an unlimited ceiling!




Tough flying conditions call for specialized equipment, at least if you're an old busted-up guy such as myself.

#93560 Are You Going....

Posted by REVflyer on 17 September 2013 - 02:57 AM

can't do 'em all!  A decision has been rendered,... see ya' in January

#93559 Diamonds, diamonds, diamonds, are a Rev fliers best friend......

Posted by REVflyer on 17 September 2013 - 02:55 AM

I ordered one set in a cut-down travel format and one as full-sized frame members so I can compare the two, hopefully in the Shook 75% Ghosts since I have a pair (otherwise, in Dugard's new full sail pro pair at Sunfest this weekend).  I have a pair of Old Glory kites that might be upgraded significantly depending on the conditions and my mood.


The Diamond framed Zen will also be available if folks want to give that a spankin',... weather permitting of course!


Wings over Washington will probably set-up south of the Kiteloft, with the Rev field wherever a crowd congregates.

#93510 Inverted hover?

Posted by REVflyer on 09 September 2013 - 05:31 PM

That is a field recovery technique to get back what you used practicing inverted hover in the land of no wind!

#93435 Tear in leading edge mesh

Posted by REVflyer on 26 August 2013 - 03:24 AM

Look,, there's no way around it, if you fly a kite often enough it will eventually wear out too.  It's made light weight, so durability is always a secondary factor.  Enough hours of UV radiation, sand, your own abuse plus giving occasional lessons,.... These items assure you that everything will fail eventually.  


For me, I get about 2-1/2 seasons from a full sail Pro kite (and a Zen too) before it needs to replaced.  Mid-vents last probably 4 and full vent will last me for at least 6 years.  These kites are very seldom used locally, where most of my hours will be spent.


You can blow smoke thru the sail material, stress fractures parallel with the down spars, nicks and holes in the leading edge (but NOT where it folds or at the center, 'cause I pay extra to have 'em built custom with these high wear spots in mind!)  I break sticks too, usually into a seawall diagonally, not for years in flight though, HA!  Thin spars are splinted due to abrasion between the caps and tubes.  There's dust, dirt, pollen, sweat, bug-spray, Dugard's bubble solution, kids' hand and foot prints on the fabric.  I have never washed a kite, but I have assembled 'em until dry, if used in tough weather conditions.  I don't care that the leading edge rips away, everything else is going to fail right around the same time.


Dantonio and my bride commented once, that the kite i was flying was an embarrassment to my family!  I have since replaced a Zen, a full sail, mid-vent, and full vent pro, all were hot fade, black center custom constructions.  The latest Zen had "more stuff tacked-on" than I have ever done before, and quite naturally, it was priced accordingly!


v eyes:back copy.jpg v eyes frnt copy.jpg


Awhile back, I laughingly ordered this vented eyes in jest and surprise surprise, a few months later Ben shows up holding it out for me, then handing Barbara an equally surprising invoice.


The only way a kite stays pristine is if you aren't using it enough!  Do you think the people in line for your inheritance care about your great rev kite collection?  You don't honestly believe a sport kite is a sound investment for future re-sale, do you? They're your thing, use it accordingly now.  I can recognize friends on a full flying field just by the kites they own up in the air.  That speaks volumes, use and enjoy, you don't know what the future holds.


I spank 'em like step-children behind the woodshed.  Try it yourself, it will take thousands of hours but you too can wear out a revolution and make wrinkles in your face permanent (from all the smiling)


What a great time I have wasting money on all things kite related, decades of pleasure on revs alone.


#93354 Light wind training exercises

Posted by REVflyer on 08 August 2013 - 02:31 AM

on nice grassy field, you can see how far the kite will glide away from you (from the above referenced "inverted position, at the top of the wind window").


Just release the handles entirely with them centered and equa-distant in front of you.  The kite will glide back down-wind all by itself and land softly.  You just need to be holding the handles to control it as the next step!  It's a glide, how steep is how fast you'll reach the ground.


Go to short lines lengths, like an old set of lines cut in half.  Things happen faster and the wind window is greatly reduced, but you don't have far to go to take-out all of the slack either.


Take the kite and try to pitch it away from you (3D-throwing) using your opposite hand to balance it in the middle, pushing the kite like a javelin with your index finger.  Don't worry about affixing the lines just yet, try to get the "throw" down pat first.  The kite should rotate around when thrown towards the opposite wind window corner to leading edge inverted (I'm left handed, I throw towards the right).  Both handles are in one hand and your little pinky finger is placed in between (to prevent handle or leader entanglement).  The kite has to arc around, not be throw in a straight line, kinda upwards, as well as forward.  See you-tube at about 1:08 http://www.youtube.c...?v=AQ95sr-axEo, as well as the start.


You can see a "handle release" at the end of this one    ~ Bigger wind, 120's,... it probably flew 350 feet forward, ... don't hit anybody!

#93346 How to make a Bridle Board

Posted by REVflyer on 06 August 2013 - 11:09 AM

Eliot and Cath Shook (flying smiles kites in Corolla NC) sell several bridle versions, particularly for the 1.5 platform.  You don't have to make your own board for bridle fabrications anymore,... no need to bother me either!  


The Shook Palace sells 3 versions: the stocker, the 1point6 version and the French Bridle.  Your preferences are the only thing that really matters, ideally you have determined your preferences by direct comparisons on the same identical kites with only one variable considered at a time.


The biggest impact is the addition of magic sticks, bridles are more about oversteer and responsiveness.  If you like what you know, great.  If you want to experiment it has never been easier!  Order a different bridle for 25 or 30 bucks and give it a few weeks of testing in various conditions.  what did it help, what did it hurt?  Every change effects everything working together.  Only your own opinion actually matters, test and decide for yourself.  A new bridle and magic sticks can take an old kite and craft into a new favorite without a big investment.


Personally?  I find the stock bridle has too much oversteer and slop for my local low/no-wind conditions.  I want it arc-welded tight and immediately responsive (some may say twitchy).  I want long throw handles and some flex in the frame too.  I never fly in winds higher than mid-20s unless I'm traveling to the coast.


Try experimenting, you might just like how it feels on the ends of the flying lines.

#93317 Supersonic Stack Advice

Posted by REVflyer on 30 July 2013 - 02:48 AM

Kite stacks that are large sized are usually tuned with "excess forward" (bleeding some wind pressure off the trailing edge), if the kites won't power-up you can try going towards more reverse tuning (gets the sail more square to the wind) and see if that helps.  In big wind though, you'd better back off that reverse tuning or at least remember you put it there.


You fly the back kite in a stack,... read it again!  The BACK kite


Label the train lines carefully for specific locations or never take them off.  The more kites in the stack, the more (micro) tuning is necessary for optimal flight control. (Black-magic tuning baby, not just a ruler!)


Being able to set-up the kites upright, staked to the ground or fly them out of inverted landing is necessary, ( a friend also works!)  TC Ultra handles are drilled plexi-plastic so you can "mount" the kites on a specific hole for set-up and the handles have a built in winder for your stack flying lines.


The less knots and stuff sticking-out that can grab a flying line, the better.  What can you address as a do-it-yourselfer?


Stacks are a great show all by themselves!


Don't forget to breath, it's so much fun you'll be holding your wind.

#93316 Help please.

Posted by REVflyer on 30 July 2013 - 02:25 AM

My quad-line friend,
you will eventually have a whole bunch of these Rev products in your possession, over time or quite quickly.  They each warm a special spot in your heart and you enjoy sharing your passion with others as well.  With enough time passage, you will develop your own unique style and personal preferences, seeking out witnesses to your antics or others to fly with in multi-line team and pairs.
One new rev kite per year?   That sounds reasonable, any spousal-unit could agree to that.  
One a month though requires being single or a double secret slush-fund Visa card tied to your meryl lynch inheritance
One fully commissioned masterpiece with custom crafted assembly besides? Insisting upon it being finished over a weekend retreat at the shook palace? . . . Who in the world could justify that decadence?!!?  (I bet many of us could guess correctly!)

It is Rich Comras, NOT me!

#93305 Rev 1.5 SLE Versus Shockwave

Posted by REVflyer on 29 July 2013 - 02:33 AM

A more aerodynamic sail on the Speed Series, leading edge shape & a pronounced (larger diameter) curve built-in (They will dead-launch!), no venting, shorter overall height, the shockwave will do everything 50% faster,. . . . . 60 or 70 mph forward and half of that in reverse.  Even a quicker side-slide. The secret is still control though and that means "owning thy hover".


I've owned all of the speed series kites (except that 4-8 traction monster).  The only one I kept is the Supersonic, it doesn't get to ride in my A-bag either.  It's the smallest and fastest of the bunch.   It's almost impossible to catch (3D flying), as the speed series captures the up-wind and rights itself in a big graceful horseshoe-shaped arc, heading back away from the direction you yanked it into.  Throwing the supersonic is like pitching a javelin though, it cuts thru the wind just as a laser would pass by air undisturbed!


I've run a trick-line around the parameter of the sail (thru the end-caps) so it will flick-flak instantly and not snag a flying line.  Looking at the back of the sail, you'll notice a bunch of knots and washers.  Those need to be snag-proof!  Cover 'em with electrical tape for a quick fix. more permanent is little covers placed over them (3M's 9460 bonding tape & belt-loop width of nylon, poly or dacron, ~no sewing!~ make a perfectly fitting paper template first).


With the trick line installed the supersonic will "drill for oil" (flick-flak rapidly, balancing on the ground, on it's leading edge) which is a cool trick most spectators have never seen.


I'm on a Zen kick right now, because it's summertime in the District of Columbia/mid-altlantic states.  Five months out of the year we have zero wind, no point in carrying a speed series kite or the higher wind fully vented stuff. 

#93220 Have 1.5 SLE. Vs. B-Series Vented. More Stable?

Posted by REVflyer on 12 July 2013 - 06:52 AM

Excellent advise has already been given.

The slide, either inverted or up-right is accomplished by pulling and pushing the handles (dualie pilot style).  The difference between the two handles is what makes it move or remain stationary.  


Let's take inverted sliding as it's actually easier to do and more beneficial to practice first.  If you want to slide from the left to right and the kite is already inverted, you'll "tuck" one handle into your rib-cage and make all adjustments with just the other hand.  L-to-R is done with the left handle imbedded and stationary to your torso.  This way nothing is backwards or upside-down to your brain.  This way the weight is already below the kite (more stable, if not today,... it will be eventually, I promise!)  Eventually you will not need this crutch technique anymore.


Good practice is to fly backwards from inverted landing and get comfortable with the kite hovering just inches above the ground.  To make this easier you'll add "DOWN" into your handle leader tuning, more and more until it will back-up (in low wind you may need to walk backwards as well) and maintain extremely tiny movements of your hands. No, loosen your grip even more,.... your squeezing a cobra and I want you holding a baby chick instead.  So soft is your grip to become that a sudden breeze increase could rip 'em out of your delicate grasp entirely!


All this down may seem uncomfortable in the beginning, but with more time on the handles it will become natural.  All the down makes the sail "more square to the wind".  Means you're getting every ounce of wind pressure applied to the sail.  You may have to walk backwards or pump (NOT snappy yanking) the handles smoothly.  If you were indoors you'd have to move the kite, move your hands and move your feet, or some combination of the three to make your own wind.  Now take this newly understood skill-set outside and you'll find you can make the kite fly the same way.


The kite will do what you want it to do, but not if you remain locked in concrete physically!


There's a difference in the flight dynamics between the two models, but just because some aspect of flight is more demanding of the pilot doesn't mean it's completely impossible.  The SLE can be flown all smooth & graceful, but most everyone prefers more flex and less weight than those thick tubes can offer.  There will be a day when these tubes are appropriate!  Placing two sets of leading edge tubes into the sleeve is okay, getting 'em out is way too tough for me though.  Huge wind calls for fat SLE sticks even if they don't see daylight very often.


Drop your flying line attachment points from the kite onto a well placed stake, see if your handles align perfectly when yanked tight.  I do this comparison with the left handle on the right side, then for flight switch 'em back to preferred locations.  


You want everything even, neutral tuning and some decent smooth wind to practice.  You can make the kite do whatever you want, just not maybe the first time you try.  A skill worth having is not freely given and you have to earn making it all look effortless too!  Epic skills took practice sessions that ended long after everyone else went home.


Given a choice of flying conditions, most of us would prefer to fly weaves or vented kites.  They are slower and smoother in flight than full sails.  My full sailed kites last half as long as the others, simply because they are used that much more frequently.