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#94721 Rod Question for B series Mid-vent in stronger winds.

Posted by REVflyer on 26 March 2014 - 03:58 AM

maybe stiffening is the wrong word, but adding structure and support is certainly accurate


like a bi-plane's wire support of the wings

#94720 New Rev fliers experience

Posted by REVflyer on 26 March 2014 - 03:55 AM

No tension/curvature should be in the frame during/after installation



after a few flight sessions these thin truss lines may lengthen, take one end off, add a single overhand knot into that loop part and snug next the existing knot


I want you to try to toss the kite (not affixed to the flying lines) both with the sticks installed and with the stand-off sticks removed, so you can immediately compare the glide.


Frame lighter than you think is appropriate, it's okay till the lines are whistling


Explore a wider wind window, the kite won't suddenly lose air and drop at the edges anymore


Try some tricks, it's okay they will get better


when done, roll the kite with the magic stick standoff tubes gathered next to the down spars at the leading edge, pull any loose lines inside first as well, I hold it closed with velcro so the sticks don't fall out mistakenly.


enjoy and let us know how it compares


#94718 Rod Question for B series Mid-vent in stronger winds.

Posted by REVflyer on 26 March 2014 - 03:40 AM

install directions are fool-proof, you don't need the reinforcing patch affixed to your sail until you are sure magic sticks are for you


twelve inch works, but the 16s are recommended

(the difference is most noticeable when the kite is "rolled-up into the flying line" to launch or end/landing)


16s do this trick effortlessly, you step-lively towards the kite (leading edge up, resting on the ground, directly downwind) to roll it up

You take two steps backwards to ONE stand it up and TWO take off, in time with your music please, to launch


you can "flail around" learning slack line tricks without risking the walk of shame (Most of the time anyway!)


The kite is easier to set-up and won't blow around on the ground, you don't have to tension the lines (people walk thru oblivious)


best thing?

A KILLER GLIDE used for field recovery.

#94716 New Rev fliers experience

Posted by REVflyer on 26 March 2014 - 03:27 AM

Ha! I never thought I'd have fifty+ of 'em either Bob!  


But every once in awhile I see one I've gotta' own.  I remember telling my wife in 2000 "if I can have a second set of these kites,  I'll never want or ask for another as long as I live"


I'm very particular too, no graphics with a pronounced/preferred viewing angle, (people, scenes), objects etc must appear visually appealing in any orientation, at speed or stationary.


I live inland like you, so most everything with lots of use is targeted towards my local conditions.  High wind revs are seldom used, yes I agree.  But borrowing a kite gets old too.  I like 'em tuned and even constructed in a very specific fashion.  I'm used to it...... "MY WAY".  I've been flying Revs since 1993, pretty hard-core since '96, first competed in '99 and built my first cooperative project as knock-offs that year as well for the Smithsonian with Harold Ames.  


I have used a different bridle since 1999 and magic sticks also for many years!  If you buy a kite a year and do it for a couple of decades, you'll have one for ANY set of weather conditions.  I have all the Revs ever made except for the biggest Speed Series 4-8 (too much power) and the xtra-vent (will never use enough to justify it's cost)


I've worn a few Revs out and sold a few, given some to my son (who lives in Atlanta by the way).  One kite bag gets to go most places, just like my wallet and cell phone.  Never buy a car without your bag along side you either!  I have kites for indoors up to when the porta-potties blow over.  You mark my words, you will be the same way if you stay in it long enough.


Most of us begin by covering the high wind (vented) and the low (SUL or full sail), then you fill-in between them, Mesh 20%, 40%, 75%, 100%, 135%, mid-vent, xtra vent, indoor, speed series, different size formats Rev1 or B2.


Maybe you meet some other local folks or travel/attend a workshop and try you hand at building a kite yourself?  My first one, I borrowed a sewing machine on site and picked parts out of my friends' kite material boxes laying nearby.  Tools are shared and coaches make sure everything comes out correctly.  Nothing is more rewarding than that first flight with a kite you built,.... except maybe when someone watching the flight asks you where you got it and tell them "men can sew, I made it myself!"


Again, you'll have a whole closet full of these Revolution kites even if you don't consider yourself a collector.  Or, you will drop-out for a new hobby.


The travel expenses to go fly with your friends and see the different locations available is the more costly aspect of being a rev family member.  (in my case it's easily 5 or even 10 to one)  All the peripheral expenses add up too.  Replacement flying line, rain-suits, boots, chairs, coolers, tarps, wicking layers, sunglasses, headphones, music devices, cameras, travel cases and luggage, roof racks, tie-downs, electronics.  Who cares, give something else up (I'm hooked!)


I sill come home with facial pain due to all the smiles shared during a flying session, even after 20 years!   I'm not sponsored and often quite outspoken, I pay full retail (usually more because of customization demanded).  Revs are still fun for me, dare I say it?,.... worth the money.

#94691 Global Rev Count.

Posted by REVflyer on 24 March 2014 - 09:55 AM

REVflyer +1 (fifty-something ~ ?)

40% patriotic shook mesh masterpiece with a diamond frame






#94672 Smithsonian Air and Space INDOOR Kite day

Posted by REVflyer on 21 March 2014 - 02:40 AM

found a bunch of 'em on youtube with the search NASM kite day

here's paulie (one of the museum's "big 3")  


Amy Doran and Connor came one year


Ashworth ('07) 


Dave's design that we want released to Revolution for commercial purposes (3rd Gen) 


Will Sturdy's single lined glider  


Luckily my bride represents the kiting community to the museum as coordinator and ALLOWS me to join in

 Soul flying to music Terry picked out using Dave's 2nd Gen indoor

#94640 About the Pulling power of a Rev kite, and some background story

Posted by REVflyer on 18 March 2014 - 07:51 AM

In the DC Metro area our wind gauge measurement is division!  


Take the quoted wind-speed from the weather channel and divide it by three.  Most measurements are taken 300 to 500 feet high, that doesn't help a sport kite flier though.  If the "service" says 5 to 10 mph for today, you're actually only looking at 1.5 - 3+ (SUL or Zen) down where it helps us.

#94501 What is the purpose of long leader with knots on the handles.

Posted by REVflyer on 25 February 2014 - 05:11 AM

I'd like to see you practice BACKING the kite from inverted and forget all about this forward drive stuff.  Eventually you must master control an inch above the ground.  This is a lot easier with the weight on the bottom (leading edge inverted).


Here's the session outline.  

Start with the kite inverted, sitting on the ground and back-up (fly in reverse by pushing your thumbs at the kite) to waist or shoulder height.  STOP and hover.  Then lower it gently back to mother earth.  Repeat this five times with the objective of a smoother flight speed in both directions and straight lines.  You may find that smaller handle movements combined with moving your feet helps tremendously, particularly in low wind. 


Okay next, double the objective height and try it all over again. You may find you need to shorten your brake (bottom) lines by pulling in the bottom leaders, or letting out the tops.  Eventually you want to be able to do this flight path to the very top of the wind window, like it was riding on railroad tracks, following a laser beam!  This will take many hundreds of hours to perfect and make effortless looking.


When you get bored go fly as you usually would, but keep coming back to the inverted session.  If your revolution kite will not back-up you might as well can cut off two strings because you are not using the kite as it is can be ("demonstrated the quad-line effect?" is the name for this asked question in judge-speech)


What you are doing by adding all of this down is a benefit to low wind flight too,... here's why.  You are pulling the sail more square to the wind's maximum pressure.  If you held a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood in a wind tunnel, which path of the wind would place maximum pressure on your plywood?  If you angled the wood in any direction some of the wind pressure would spill off, right?  


When in doubt about tuning ALWAYS add down first and see if that is an improvement.


You'll eventually have to break the habits of all forward drive tuning, if you ever want to gain mastery on a revolution kite.  We all learned to scream to the top of the window with forward drive first.  Don't waste the next seven years to change like I did!


My current setting for leader lengths is the tops are 300 to 400% longer than the bottoms.  I make all my tuning adjustments using the bottom leaders (so the tops are always the same length, muscle memory for 3-D tricks).  Handle length dictates the top leader length.  I want it "just short" of reaching the bottom leader attachment point.  Longer handles get longer leaders.  Choices are personal,... do what feels right to you, the path doesn't matter only the destination!

#94482 Wildwoods International Kite Festival 2014

Posted by REVflyer on 19 February 2014 - 04:54 AM

sounds like another great time to me

#94448 EXP vs SLE vs B-series

Posted by REVflyer on 12 February 2014 - 12:21 PM

depends on the thickness of your wallet

#94430 Lines for Rev SLE 1.5 for beginner

Posted by REVflyer on 10 February 2014 - 03:45 AM

I've personally witnessed buggying on a full vent 1.5 (that individual was no "giant" in stature though, HA!)  He eventually move to the outer banks, guessing the no-wind of the mid-atlantic states got too boring.



One time Bob (Sundown) pulled a plastic kid's wading pool out of his pickup truck, then set-up an 8-pack stack of dualies and proceeded to lean back on the pool's edge whilst sitting inside it, (thereby raising the front significantly ~ Bob's a very big boy).


Oops, i forgot,... the night before we arrived for first Sunday fly it had snowed 8 inches of fresh powder.  We couldn't go to the Monuments (construction again!) so we went towards an equestrian park instead.  Hadn't plowed the lot so we pulled over on the side of the entrance road.


Anyway, we were all laughing at and kidding Sundown as he was lovingly cleaning out the pool's interior, then he set-up and went scootin' across the field howling in ecstasy.  Know what happened next?  WE double-quick formed a line to wait for our own turn scudding in the winter pool!


Oh yeah, 120s are a great flying length of lines regardless of your kite choice

#94351 Spectra Fishing Line vs Spectra Kite Line

Posted by REVflyer on 30 January 2014 - 03:30 AM

some of us, (myself included) are occasionally delusional enough to assume we can do it better ourselves than acquiring those products through commercially available sources.  With that said I have purchased perfect sets from both Cath and Teresa.  


Which products do you want?  

Cath has Skybond: It is super slippery, thinner diameter, but a softer hand.  Teresa sells LaserPro which is more commonly used with most team quad fliers..., not as slippery, thicker too, but also much more like flying on wire.  A direct connect?  When you do 3D stuff, the LPG string doesn't pick-up debris as easily or tangle as quickly (or as tightly!)


I use both brands, depending on the circumstances presented and who's with me.  I particularly like the 50# and 140# Skybond though for tough conditions (one's for each end of the wind range), but for seriously chasing spectators the line is 90#LPG, especially when throwing the kite all around with tons of slack in between movements.


Some of my linesets have sleeving, but only if I bought 'em that way.  

When making my own lines that is just another darn thing to tangle-up which is eliminated by design.  Use figure of eight knots, but first place a stopper knot into the single strand line before it's formed into the loop.  Practice the figure of eight knot as it wants to tighten in both directions (towards the knot's center point)  How do you predict where it will wind up?  In fact you'll use a set of forceps to pinch the two strands together where you want the knot to be as a final location.  When you practice tying this knot, you'll need to identify the two loops (which resemble an "8" on it's side when visually examined).  You have to force one loop OVER the other half and pull out all of that accompanying slack back out (away from the locked point) so the knot positions itself against the forcep jaws as a final position when tight.  This isn't easy, you'll have to wiggle and work it, so practice.


When you make linesets without sleeving you need a BIGger loop than with sleeving, as any adjustments will be made by shortening the longest line (by adding in still more knots).  With sleeving you can untie, that won't work w/o it!

#94347 Spectra Fishing Line vs Spectra Kite Line

Posted by REVflyer on 30 January 2014 - 01:18 AM

One is designed to survive the shock of a striking fish, as well as the load of dragging that fighting creature thru water. The other is designed to wrap smoothly around itself with little friction and not change it's overall length. You could use a garden trowel in a knife fight,... It is made of strong metal, has a cutting edge and a very comfortable handle Buy the right stuff and never regret you decision!

#94337 Florida Here I Come.....

Posted by REVflyer on 29 January 2014 - 10:01 AM

I've not complained 'bout tough weather since I left Chicago, except for a couple of times!  


I went to college (NIU/Dekalb~ in the late 70's) and once we had snowdrifts that covered school buses & telephone poles for miles in every direction.  The interstate was closed for 3 days and I don't remember much else (except our early arrival at the local liquor store and immense popularity thereafter until a decent thaw).  You can't even shovel it,... where are you going to put that snow, on top of the dorm?  Front end loaders and dump trucks were necessary to haul it away.  That didn't start 'til crews could reach the equipment.


Bethesda. MD got 26 inches all at one time while we were at the MKS building retreat.  The hotel staff would be the same folks who served breakfast late last night and cocktails the day before.  When I finally got home the misses & neighbors had shoveled all their snow into MY parking spot.  You could hide an extended cab pick-up truck in the pile.  Man I was mad at the world that day!


Went thru hurricane Andrew, but from 90 miles away.  Pretty scary stuff but my home and landscaping survived intact.


Been thru two tornados, once the whole house was gone (2 stories brick) except for a single chest of drawers and the chimney.  Second time, after rebuilding the homestead, the twister took off the top story, lifted the carpet from the first floor and place the second level back down again. The carpet is now on the ceiling!  We moved three hours away and felt pity on the folks that acquired our old home.  Even the mail man moved!!!

#94335 Florida Here I Come.....

Posted by REVflyer on 29 January 2014 - 03:34 AM

I heard this morning on the radio that Destin FL got 3 inches of snow and germantown maryland only received the slightest dusting.  Weather is so unfair sometimes!