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#95089 What's the best length?

Posted by REVflyer on 16 June 2014 - 02:45 AM

I have 22 footers if there's enough room (like in Wildwood) and a special 8 foot length for flying at a specific location in the Nat'l Air & Space Museum (under the UAVs, one of them is only 14 ft from the floor).


Very often you simply take an old set of 120's and cut 'em down.  Maybe one line broke jacking around against the sea-wall?  Now they are 100 ft.  Next they get kind of ragged at this length so you make a a couple of sets of 46ers.  One of these will get hacked down on site for a custom length.  Maybe you fold two in half and divide.  Or pinch all four part way along the length, melt, knot and fly.  I use a forceps for knot making so it's very repeatable, no sleeving and 90 pound line so it doesn't snag every molecule of crap on the floor.  Laser Pro is like WIRE, Skybond is slicker and easier to see in my opinion. (I use both)


Getting a set of indoor handles that you connect with I found very difficult.  I finally settled on these little dinky tubers, they're extremely short as well.  They are so light in weight though, that the kite can carry 'em underneath in a glide.  You can decide as you walk parallel with that fully released glide, whether to re-grasp the handles again or snag the leading edge instead.  


I currently use a custom orcon Rev-styled kite with a "Breeze" leading edge and point 125 tube down-spars (2nd GEN ~ Ashworth).  Since the frame is so delicate (and flexible!) you need to add a longish bridle to prevent distortion upon pilot commands.  There are also magic stick type structures but Dave doesn't connect the two halves with the bridge line.


I couldn't connect with the stock indoor Revolution kite.  I want my kites to be like a set of golf clubs.  Each one feels like the others but performs best in different circumstances.  That means you have to fiddle with them a lot.  Or, in the example of Dave's orcon efforts, that cost me a Revolution kite bag and a industrial light table from a commercial printer.  Because the moment I touched it I had to have that darn thing, not one like it,..... the very one in front of us.  

 orcon indoor.jpg

Orcon sucks as kite building material.  It even sticks to itself when you roll it up!  It's about as strong as potato chip bag with a big slit in the side.  It's even printed with some safety message every few feet in opaque white.  You can't sew orcon, it has to be bonded, it only comes in oyster white.  You can't have a sharp corner in your graphics or construction, nice smooth gradual turns (big diameters) are mandated.  Oh but the flight dynamics make up for everything else.  I don't care if it's durable or ragged looking.  When you send this kite into a glide you can go to the bathroom and return before it hits the ground!  Send it towards a smooth wall and it magnetically sticks and lowers itself magically to the floor.  You can time this maneuver with a sundial!


Indoors the flying conditions are always the same, except for the height limits.  I envy anyone who has a steady practice location.  You can even flail indoors!


The buying public is ready for the helium's introduction.  The best of both worlds, blending the indoor with an SUL, using the platform size we all appreciate plus a bridle so it instantly feels right!


We're lined-up Ben, . . . .summer is here, no wind time and a new design only on the horizon so far?

#95053 Leader question

Posted by REVflyer on 10 June 2014 - 02:41 AM

100 pound hi-test bridle line is the perfect leader stuff.  Double strands, but placing the position knot(s) in only one of the two legs.  Then it's easy to move, less danglie-crap to tangle when flying slack-line too


ideally the leaders on the flying lines should be made from this same material (remove the braided spectra core, just using the 40# Dacron sheath)


I'd make the top leader just short of reaching across the gap between the two attachment points.


Brake adjustments are done on the bottom leaders (muscle memory for 3D-stuff & the further out you can reach ~ the more impact on the kite ~ for a "catch")  Long throw handles get longer leaders.


your mileage may vary

#95052 Wildwoods International Kite Festival 2014

Posted by REVflyer on 10 June 2014 - 02:29 AM

Jared Hayworth is a great addition to any kiting activity, his entire family in fact!  Set-up (without the attitude!), he hustles all day long doing whatever is needed,..... photos, lessons, sherpa duties, plans the competitions for the Eastern League as the Commissioner.  


For the Air & Space Museum indoor gig he brings their big ole flat screen TV (off of the wall and drives 8 hours), so we have a monitor for video playbacks in the lobby.  He doesn't want to be involved with the cliques or politics, just sharing the joy.  I include him as a dear friend.



   my lights are due today, Fedex says!

#95028 First timer

Posted by REVflyer on 08 June 2014 - 12:17 AM

Find some other pilots in your area or plan a trip. It will shave years of frustration away and save you money inthe long run.

#95027 First timer

Posted by REVflyer on 08 June 2014 - 12:15 AM

If the kite came with two different diameter tubes, remove the larger ones immediately. Ultra light tubes are plenty tough enough to learn on. The single most important step is to insure your handles align PERFECTLY when all four lines are affixed to a well place stake or fence post. Do not attach to the kite until this step is taken, tested, approved. Oh sure, they are close.... Only off a little, You don't want to mess with lines, sleeving or leaders, you just want to fly. Align perfect makes neutral, otherwise the car pulls right even when you want to go straight

Relax your body, (big breaths in thru the nose out thru the mouth). The kite is controlled by tiny movements, less is more!

My first lesson if we were together would be the cartwheel. In the beginning an improper landing will be leading edge down. You roll the kite over by tip standing first, not dragging the leading edge diagonally across the soil. You are getting comfortable inverted, slow graceful control, relax, breath, enjoy!

#95003 Wildwoods International Kite Festival 2014

Posted by REVflyer on 05 June 2014 - 08:31 AM

these lights would be so easy to adapt to a dualie, the standoffs are already secure and the frame is what the lights would be butted up against for a more rigid structure.  It will affect overall balance, but how much I'm not sure,..... more experiments to chase

#94994 Wildwoods International Kite Festival 2014

Posted by REVflyer on 04 June 2014 - 04:02 AM

ok my buddy Terry has released the critical information on a great light, appropriate for kite flying.  Extremely light weight and bright as heck, it even changes colors automatically!


We slapped 2 on each wing, affixed to the top end of the magic sticks so the kite would be backlit.  These rigs are so light weight you didn't need to worry about the ability to stay airborne anymore.  You don't even need to take 'em off during the daylight hours (but I would anyway)  We flailed and impacted mother earth, all without dislodging 'em.  Replaceable batteries, darn reasonably priced too




#94987 Diamonds, diamonds, diamonds, are a Rev fliers best friend......

Posted by REVflyer on 30 May 2014 - 11:05 AM


I've gone from my Diamond frame SUL straight to a Mid on more than a couple of times. It handles 10mph+ quite easily.
Note: I have sticks and a frenchie on it though.

Ha!, worse yet for me SparkieRob,... I'll use my zen until others are on Mid-vents (yes w/Diamond, sissies and French)  All powered up and instantly responsive, leaps like a cheetah that's how I want it.  

I'm glad you're enjoying the rig (modified as I would prefer it be flown and we've never met), other side of the earth and all is mere inconvenience.  Makes a world of difference on the size of the window and the allowable safe wind range.


Latest mod is to mount LED flashers on the magic sticks to back-lit the kite.  Get a tiny unit with multiple colors and see what you think.  We were blown away in Wildwood

#94974 Diamonds, diamonds, diamonds, are a Rev fliers best friend......

Posted by REVflyer on 29 May 2014 - 02:38 AM

These Diamond rods have endured severe abuse from me, all banged around on the ground and spanked hard in the air,.... and yes I've broken a few,  but only thru pilot judgement errors! 

~ snapped one in my hand when the wind flipped kite over,

~ another on a shovel sticking up, doing a throw 

~ on a steel hand-rail bouncing too aggressively


In my opinion only two sticks are necessary for my 1.5 kites, green Race and the new Diamonds, usage depending on the desire to frame flexible or stiff


your mileage may very!


If we all ask nicely,....

betcha' travel frame formatted Diamond tubes would be available (then you only break 1/6th of the leading edge at a time, HA!)

#94968 Wildwoods International Kite Festival 2014

Posted by REVflyer on 28 May 2014 - 03:20 AM

I also enjoyed myself pretty much the entire time, decent wind, crowds and great friends, (both old & new).  We shared the wind and a few laughs along the way. Dennis and Lisa wailed on me, in the only event I cared about (MMB).  Forgot I even registered for the indoor event and took 2nd place there behind Jeff King.  Test flew a new indoor/outdoor prototype Ben was referring to as the "Helium".  It's was everything we hoped for, no need to reprogram your brain, (just like switching golf clubs).  It was a new material for the fabric (translucent white, nearly transparent) but can still be sewn and new frame, but used the 1.5 sized platform and a bridle, so it felt right immediately.


Mostly, I was just impressed with how well some folks can fly two revs at once.  Watching 6 kites and three pilots is an amazing demonstration of quad-lined mastery!


We made some more flailers, visiting from up north in Canada.  One gentlemen even approached me for a specific lesson on the flick-flak.  He only knew how to fly all smooth and graceful (his exact words, honest!), but wanted to add a couple of tricks to his quiver.  F-Fing is like walking the kite, once you are shown the technique and understand what action is necessary, you don't even need a verbal explanation if language barriers exist.  A "falling leaf" is just an overdone Flick-flak, adding a quick step forward PLUS the flick-flak action, timed in unison.


Slapped a set of lights together that knocked my socks off too!  One of the room-mates (Terry Rankin) had little LEDs that flashed on in 4 colors. Replaceable batteries, a very small package, but best of all, two parallel ridges spaced close together on the bottom.  We used painters tape to affix onto the magic sticks, so the kite would have an elevated pulsing, backlighting source.  Two units were mounted on each wing, assuming if it was too heavy we could half the weight on-site.  Our primary concern was that the weight is mounted out at the end of the tube (by the end-cap), almost 16 inches from the kite/frame structure itself.  How is that going to impact flight dynamics?  

Well, it was present and feel-able, but not very influential.  MAN-oh-man was it powerful in the night-sky visually.  The lights stick up like bug's eyes, even when the kite is rolled into the string and laying flat on the ground!  The whole sail is lit, back and front, there are powerful colored pulses shining thru.  The darn thing looked amazing even sitting stationary, I couldn't get enough of it and I'm ordering a gross of 'em (4 per kite drives that number down quickly.)  This rig is so light weight that I installed them the last night well before dark and just proceeded along with the group unencumbered!  WE slammed the kite around and nothing quit blinking or fell off in 3 separate sessions.  


Scott Weider once again inspires me to try new things.  Next I'm to stake the kite down at the handles and roll the kite into the string, (twice) and then rotate the kite 180 degrees so the leading edge is now facing away from the handles.  You want to make sure the flying lines fall inside of the training wheel stand-offs when rolling it too,...... that's why you walked down and set it up yourself!  A big aggressive launch sequence and add some step(s) backward, it unrolls as a 720.  I think I understand the action, but I'll probably try just one wrap first.  Like everything else, it will look U-G-L-Y for quite awhile until perfected, but I can see adding this to my routine, since you set-it in advance.


See ya'll next year, for another stomp in the Woods.


#94952 Wildwoods International Kite Festival 2014

Posted by REVflyer on 21 May 2014 - 03:15 AM

for you Dr. Hot Tricks, 


you can borrow my old one, it's still got life leftover to be squeezed out, 

I should probably keep the frame & sissy sticks though, otherwise it might look like I was sponsoring you (LOL!)


it's long-time, one way loan, enjoy and see ya in the woods


you may have to teach me how to fade a sacrificial dualie as compensation

#94949 Wildwoods International Kite Festival 2014

Posted by REVflyer on 20 May 2014 - 02:25 AM

are they defective, after all that no-thumbs (Dennis styled training) being instilled upon 'em?  


I never owned a BLUE kite, maybe that's the missing component to beat you just one time sir?


I'd only be interested in the full sail real cheap, (no frame or bridle necessary) somehow, I burn thru those models faster than the other sail configurations


See ya' soon and good luck, I'll get the luggage (AGAIN!)


#94917 Pro Extra Vented in high wind vs B2 Vented

Posted by REVflyer on 08 May 2014 - 03:08 AM

For me, I can't justify anything that's a higher wind range than a full vent pro or shook 100%,.... neither of which have many hours on them, despite years of ownership.  Rigged, framed up properly, right line-set selected these kites are good to gusts of 35 mph.


B2 full sail ~ rigged out can take pretty big wind and still be fun, but most of the time it's SULs, no-wind and indoor style kites in my community.  Dave Ashworth for example, carries 17 indoor worthy home-builts, most are quads, totally unfair to other kites, effortless.  New pilots are always sent to him, so they too can experience the difference between stock vs. crafted for one very specific environment by a master.


Most people would never need this level of addiction to no-wind equipment.  The same can be said for the other extreme.  How many folks are willing to buy a kite for 400 bucks that they might use once every 3 years when the wind is blowing over porta-potties?  Is it worth the time to develop that kite and layout the manufacturing patterns when only 50 or 100 units can be expected as a market?  Do you honestly think that those few buyers would be willing to incur all the set-up, tooling, and development/testing labor costs, split equally into their kite's sale price?


There's a larger market share in low wind, everyone experiences it unless you fly coastal exclusively and get up after breakfast is no longer served!  I still crave it there, so early mornings are "my time" at the beach.  Want to hang light-sets? Again, that is much easier to fly with on a lower wind kite (than you would expect).  Better overpowered than under I say, you can always land or move off to the side, at least flight is possible!


How many of us want a kite that barely lifts off at 28 and works comfortably well in 50 mph also?

#94852 Diamonds, diamonds, diamonds, are a Rev fliers best friend......

Posted by REVflyer on 29 April 2014 - 03:18 AM

busted one part of the 6 piece travel Diamond frame leading edge showing off this past weekend in ocean city.  Was doing a few throw and catches, found a shovel stuck into the sand, nice & straight up!  Well the throw was magnificent, my body placement relative to the shovel handle positioning was NOT!  Flew laser straight and folded like an elbow on impact, right around that darn handle.  Everyone laughed, but I was kind of pissed about my gross error in judgement.


That was a necessary reminder

that every occupied stroller is

not a target for my entertainment


I had some extra pieces, so just slapped in a new 1/6 length replacement and was back in the air again.


Diamonds are a great stick, if you can get passed their price of admission.  I love 'em in a 40% Shook & my SUL pro.

#94845 Quad sticks

Posted by REVflyer on 26 April 2014 - 02:45 AM

At least my favorite revs, all have those sissy sticks. I find them pleasurable on verything except a stack