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#95068 Difference between EXP and B-Series

Posted by awindofchange on 11 June 2014 - 03:59 PM

Even though they both look the same, and the frames are interchangeable, there is a huge difference in overall performance and control from the EXP to the B-Series.  As far as flight, there is not that much of a difference, the controls are exactly the same.  The biggest difference comes when you start to hover and do precision controls.  The B-Series loads up much nicer and holds its position better.  It also gives better feed-back during flight.


For someone who hasn't flown much, the difference is very minimal.  For someone who has flown a lot and really knows how to fine tune the kite the difference is quite a bit and well worth the extra cash.


I would say there is less difference between the B-Series and the B-Series PRO (which is somewhat less) than there is between the B-Series and the EXP (which is quite a lot).

#94588 Supersonic Questions

Posted by awindofchange on 13 March 2014 - 06:31 PM

The Sonic can have some pretty good pull to it, especially when it loads up and is in the stronger winds (above 8mph).  I wouldn't fly it on anything less than 150#.  I also don't care much for it in anything under about 7-8 mph and it really kicks when the winds hit 10.  Personally, that's when this kite becomes a rush to fly.  Absolutely awesome and fast.....I mean really fast! :)


85' lines should be perfect.  This kite has such a high speed across the window that shorter lines will be a bit more difficult.  Longer lines will slow it down a bit and give you much more room in the sky to fly.  To each their own though....


I would use your 85' lines and go for it.  The Sonic does require a little quad line skill, not one that I would recommend starting out with if you've never flown before.  Also, give yourself some time to really get use to it, feather the rear lines and get it locked in and get use to how that feels.  With a little time, you may find it as one of your favorite kites to fly.  I did. :)


Hope that helps.

#94360 Spectra Fishing Line vs Spectra Kite Line

Posted by awindofchange on 30 January 2014 - 11:20 PM

This question has come up quite a few times on several different forums.  This is a copy of a post I did over on the Power Kite forum regarding this same subject.





As far as fishing line compared to kite line - and saying they are the same and kite line is just more because of a niche market....that can not be further from the truth.

Saying fishing line is the same as kite line because they are both made from HDMPE fibers (spectra/dyneema) is like saying a $10 bicycle tire is just as good as a $300 steel belted racing radial tire because heck, they are both made from rubber!

Even though fishing line and kite line are both made from spectra fibers, that is the only thing that is the same. Spectra fibers are the size of a hair and are carefully braided and re-braided to form kite lines. The way they are braided, the pattern in which they are braided, how tight they are braided and the shape they are braided in will determine if it is good enough quality for kite flying (where your life and $100's of dollars worth of kite depend on it) and whether it can be used to haul in a fish.

Braiding kite line takes as much as 100 times more time and up to 30% more line than making fishing line - which is basically designed to be thrown away in the event it breaks or gets tangled. Breakage and stretch in fishing line is expected and assumed. This obviously can not be tolerated with kites. Daniel Prentice of Shanti kites is a very close friend of mine and I have seen what it takes to make both fishing line and kite line and they are no way comparable. Daniel also is the inventor of Spectra kite line and the reason we have both Shanti kite line and LPG.

Fishing line, while it may work for your kite for a while, will not hold up nearly as long, will be more prone to breakage and wear and will never have the performance and durability that kite line has. Kite line is designed to rub against each other with minimal wear, this is because of the special way the braid is made so that the two (or four) lines can slide over each other. Fishing line will create a lot of friction when crossed with other fishing line and will literally melt itself in half, causing breakage.


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To add to the above,


Getting into the braiding of the lines, Spectra kite line is braided in several different ways depending on the type and manufacturer, the tightness of looseness of the braid will determine just how easily the other line(s) will slide over it and just how much it will cause friction or heat, which will eventually ruin your lines.  Each manufacturer uses a different type of braiding, this is the reason that flying team with different types of line can cause lock ups.  Basically one braid on one line will not slide over the braid on the other line causing friciton and lockup. Fishing line uses none of this type of design because it doesn't matter.  Fishing line is braided as quickly and as cheaply as possible because it is designed to be thrown away.

Food for thought anyways......Hope this helps.

#94065 Stacking

Posted by awindofchange on 30 November 2013 - 04:00 PM

Although people do stack vented and non vented kites, it is normally not suggested by Revolution to do so.  The different kites do fly differently in the same winds which can cause the stack to not fly quite as good as a stack made up of all the same style kites.  All sails will stretch out over time depending on how they are taken care of and what the wind conditions they are flown in.  The only time this would be an issue is if you did fly them in a stack, or side by side....but, they would all fly differently anyways so it would be nearly impossible to tell if the difference in flight was caused by the stacking, or by the normal characteristics of the kites designs, or by the use/wear and tear/condition of the kites as they are flown?  Will they stretch out differently, yes....what is the consequences of this?  They would eventually fly differently when compared to the other.  Is this a big deal???  Not really, they already fly differently from each other new from the factory anyways.


In reality, your kites will slowly change in how they perform over a long period of time, that's just how it works.  Things get warn out the more you use them.  You will adjust your flying skills/styles to compensate for the changes in your kites performance.  Sometimes the performance is better the more the sail stretches (think of it as a pair of shoes getting broke in to match your feet as you wear them).  I personally don't think the wear-n-tear on the kites being stacked together is going to be any more or less than flying them solo as long as you pay close attention to the wind conditions you are flying them in.


Hope that helps.

#94056 Stacking

Posted by awindofchange on 27 November 2013 - 09:59 PM

I would suggest going to 150 or 200 for the stack, just to be on the safe side.  Breaking your 90# set will do two things that you wont like, obviously it will break your 90# lineset, the other is that now you will need to purchase a new 90# set and then also purchase a 150 or 200# set, costing you twice as much as before.


The center stack line use to be a real pain, but Rev has now helped out with that a ton on the new stack line sets.  The center line is specially colored so you can easily identify it from the others.  What you want to do is to loop it through the center loop on the front kite, passing the loop through and then pulling the rest of the stack line through so it makes a larks head on the front kite, then just your standard larks head knot on the rear kite on the center loop where the knot is.  Hopefully this will make sense when you look at it.  If not then let me know and I may be able to get some pics.  The new stack line kits should have the full instructions in them on how to do this.


150# pigtails should be plenty strong.


Hope that helps.  Let us know how it goes.

#94033 Seeking advice on how to stack Rev's...

Posted by awindofchange on 25 November 2013 - 08:00 PM

Hiya Hyza,


Usually the more rev's you stack, the more sluggish the kites become.  They also pull like a truck, especially when you start to get over 4 kites.  Even my 5 stack of Rev II's can have some solid pull in them when the winds pick up.


For a 6 stack, I would suggest a minimum of 250# lines, I have 300# lines on my 8 stack of 1.5's.  I have buggied with it in 10 mph winds. LOL


There are a lot of tuning you can do, most of the tuning is to get the stack to follow correctly and get more precision out of it.  I have found on nearly every stack I have done that you will need to pull in the top lines at least 2 inches, probably more like 3 or 4 inches to get the best control and ease the pull.  This lets you fly without ripping your arms out of their sockets, but more importantly, makes the stack behave much easier.  Without pulling in the tops, the stack will always try to flip on you when hovering or stalling/landing.  Small stacks like 2 or 3 can hover pretty good when tuned in properly, more kites than that then you will probably not want to try hovering them at all. :)


Tuning in the stack can take a very long time to do but it is soooo worth it in the end.  Start with all stack lines equal (*except the center ones, those are always going to be different depending on how you attach the front kite to the next and so on).  Fly the stack and then adjust the lines as you see necessary depending on how the kites are behaving.  Usually I pull in about .5 to 1 inch on the very last kite bottoms, this usually helps with the 'chasing' and keeps that last kite more in check.  That's a good place to start and then work forward as needed.


As for frames, with a 6 stack you may need to beef up the front kite or two with either the 4 wrap SLE rod, or contact me and we can work with Rev to custom build you a couple stiffer rods, like 6 wraps or something.  The reason you need to beef up the front kite (or two) is because all the other kites are hanging off of the front one and it is in a constant tug or war between the flying lines and the rear kites.  This puts a ton of stress on the frame.  If stacking less than 3 kites then you can usually use whatever frames the kites come with, more than that you may need to beef them up.  As you are stating lightly, meaning light winds (I assume), you may not need the extra strength frames, but if a gust hits you may be in trouble.


Hope this helps, let me know if you need any other info and I will help out as much as possible.

#93823 Happy Birthday Laura

Posted by awindofchange on 21 October 2013 - 07:47 PM

Happy Birthday Laura!!!  Hope you had a great day!

#93054 Supersonic Stack Advice

Posted by awindofchange on 14 June 2013 - 09:32 AM

You can use the same length lines, but you will need two extra stacking lines for the Sonic than for the 1.5.  The Sonic has four vertical rods and the 1.5 only has two.  The Sonic would need to have stacking lines on both bottom end caps on each side, where the 1.5 only needs one stacking line on the bottom end cap on each side.

#92940 Which Rev? (1, 1.5, 2, or B)

Posted by awindofchange on 05 June 2013 - 08:55 PM

Anytime buddy, it gets confusing with all the different models and types, then whey they go and change it up on us it adds even more confusion.  It is awesome that we have this forum to help us all keep on top of things.

#92630 Antelope Island 2013

Posted by awindofchange on 08 May 2013 - 07:07 AM

I will be there as well.  Looking forward to it.

#92305 Latest Masterpiece.

Posted by awindofchange on 02 April 2013 - 05:03 PM

I received a package from Lolly and just had to share.  It's the latest one from Randy Tom and I love it!!!  This one is #2 of 2....and I can only assume that Ben has the other one.  Thanks Lolly!  You're the best!





Full pictures are in the gallery.  Click to enjoy. smile.png



#92300 Gallery Size

Posted by awindofchange on 02 April 2013 - 10:42 AM

Yay!  Was able to post up the new pictures.  Thanks John.

#92147 Power Blast 2-4 hover mode

Posted by awindofchange on 19 March 2013 - 10:57 AM

You won't be hovering the kite while in the buggy.  Once you start moving, the Blast will be moving as well.  Hovering is not really possible.  Think of it as shooting the Blast out towards the edge, but the edge never arrives.

#92123 is dyneema line ok

Posted by awindofchange on 18 March 2013 - 11:51 AM

How the lines are constructed will determine if they are good quality or not.  I like to use the analogy of tires; Bicycle tires are not built the same as high performance radial tires - even though they are both made from the same core ingredient: Rubber.  Like tires, lines are not made the same either.  Even though the line may claim to be spectra or dyneema, how that line is made and produced will determine if it will be good quality or garbage.  Fishing line is the perfect example.  It is made from spectra but the way it is braided will allow it to have severe stretch so the line will not snap when you have a big whopper on the hook.  This is great for fishing, but terrible for kite flying.  Kite lines are braided in a special way to give maximum strength with minimal stretch.  This keeps you connected to the kite and allows you to have maximum control.  With a stretchy line, it will be like flying on rubber bands and will be very frustrating.


Also, different manufacturers will braid the lines differently.  This is the reason that you will want to check with the other pilots in your team (or general area) and find out what lines they are using (if you ever plan on flying team with them).  Because of the different braiding processes, different manufacturers lines will not slide across each other the same.  If everyone is using Shanti, no problem.  If everyone is using LPG, no problem.  If some are using Shanti and others using LPG, you may have some binding or lockup issues when the two different braides run across each other.  It could also cause some premature wear on both lines.   If you are only going to fly solo then it makes very little difference on which lines you are using as long as they are of good quality.


Generally, team flyers use LPG lines.


Before putting down some serious money on lines that are not name-brand lines (many dyneema lines), I would get a sample and test them first to make sure they are going to be a good quality line.

#91925 Headed To Kite Party to be with my Family

Posted by awindofchange on 07 March 2013 - 11:26 AM

On my way.  Should be there later tonight.