10 mph doesn't bode well for Diamonds, IMHO, and is a higher top end than I like to fly my black Race frame as well. I don't fly with magic sticks, so my observations are based on a stock setup.
I'd recommend the black Race frame to most folks before I'd recommend The Diamond frame. The Diamond frame is NOT stronger than a 3 wrap or even a 2 wrap for that matter! It is a delicate instrument, I put it's range at 1-6 mph. Again though, this is all IMO.
Ha, relaunching, a frequent chore for a beginner. I watched John's video on flat relaunching. Works perfectly, but both situations covered in the tutorial involve the kite sitting on the briddle side. Since relaunching with the briddle on top is not covered, can I assume that there are no solutions for this situation, other than walking to the kite? Thanks.
RevWizard is right. Both of these suggestions will take some practice-
If the leading edge falls away from you, apply as much brake to the handles as is physically possible, and gently walk backwards. The vertical tips will be pointed at you, the kite will be flat to the ground, and if done right it should rise up. Gentle gentle inputs here for any corrections.. Once airborne, apply a slide input to either handle, while giving the opposite handle a pull on the lines with maximum forward. The wingtip you applied slide to will drive into the ground, and while that wing will be flipped, the other wing should be catching wind. A slide input to that wing should pop the Rev off the ground and help to fill the flipped wing. This technique has limited success on beach sand or any surface that will catch up the vertical tips while laying on the ground. Also, this doesn't always work well on the vented or Xtra vent.
Ok, so your Rev is laying face up with the leading edge pointed at you? This is where a little sand or rough terrain may help stop the leading edge from sliding toward you if you apply brake inputs. If that isn't an option (worked for me at Kite Party, but not at home), you'll need a little luck for the next one. With gentle tugs or a walk, position the leading edge so that one side is slightly closer to you. Pull the lines taught (all of them, you may need to hold the handles in an unnatural manner) and keep the handles chest height. This helps to keep the lines from being trapped under the Rev during the next step.. Now jerk the lines on the OPPOSITE handle sideways away from the kite, keeping the motion chest-high; the Rev will spin on the ground, and the leading edge will now be away from you (hopefully). Now you can follow the above advice to launch from that position.
I'll try and get video of what I'm describing on Monday.
Oh Diamonds, how do I love thee? Let me count the ways...
Fully loads up in 3mph of wind, almost half the black Race frame requirements (>5mph)
Can easily maintain sail pressure with less than 3mph with walking backwards.
Responds like a wrap frame, IMO, which I like.
Sturdy enough for gentle axels and catch n (gentle!) toss. I'm not brave enough to try an upright flic flac yet, but I think Watty's style might be safe enough. I say gentle axels and tosses because I'm sure I could snap this frame on a less-than-ideal-conditions one.
Straight up precision flying the other day, 2.5 mph on my SkyWatch... it was magical. Utterly magical.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with my friend Wayne. The spars differ in flex: 2 wraps are much more flexible than 4 wraps.
Maybe Wayne meant in terms of reflex, not flex; in that sense, the 2, 3, and 4 wrap 1/4" rods all do seem to "spring back" from flexing to rest with the same speed and energy. I do agree with both Mike and Wayne, I've never broken a wrap rod and wouldn't recommend diamond rods to beginners.
The Race rods are known to reflex even faster than the wrap rods (well maybe except the green Race frame). The ability to go from flexing back to dead-calm rest with incredible speed and precision is why the Race frame is a universal favorite.
You are very correct Captainbob, the literature on the NYM line is lacking- Revolution doesn't even show it on their own website yet! (That I can find anyways)
The 3-6 mph range you found was preferrable- you'll find the preferred range of a B-Series kitted out in Race frame to be about the same, per JB. Not to say it can't be flown higher or lower than that, just that's the sweet spot with that frame. The ranges given for the B-Series are extremes on Revolution's website- a 2 wrap flown up to 12 mph? That frame, like a black Race frame, usually doesn't see wind above 6 mph! But, technically, it could.
Revolution really should put out some specs across a few frames, like they do with all their other products but I'm willing to bet that once they do, the specs will be similar to the standard issue B-Series.
Posted by SkyPuppet
on 27 February 2014 - 09:16 AM
If you're really set on a matching suite but can't decide, all that means is you haven't found your colours yet. You'll know when you'll know. Always fly what you like to look at.
You're onto something there, as I have my panel layout(s) chosen, I just can't decide on a (read: 1) color scheme. I have 3 panel layouts that I really like. Since my Xtra and Zen won't need replacing anytime soon, I'm starting to think one layout per sail... however this is what I already have going on with my current set, a different layout per sail. Decisions, decisions I like to look at them all
Wayne, I was thinking the same thing assign the pictures numbers and have the RNG pick lol. I love Katrina's layouts! I was also thinking about submitting them all to Bazzer and let him chose, then wait to be surprised when they're done!
Hey Captainbob, I'm also going to recommend 100ft or 120ft, 120s are preferable IMO... You just never know when you'll run into another Rev pilot and the 120s are the team flying standard, so more pilots are apt to carry them. I agree with Jim, I say lines outlast kites, and in my case, sets of kites. 90# line is best for a beginner, once again IMO.
The longer lines are beneficial to a beginning Rev pilot, you'll have more time within the wind window to act/react. I'd advise against going shorter than 75ft until you have a good grasp on the fundamentals, as you'll have less time to act/react. Once you have an understanding, however, the sky's the limit... fly it on 5ft lines (or just grab the bridle!) all the way up to far far away
There are many reasons I enjoy flying my Zen. I like how it likes a patient hand, how I can't just force it around and still have it look ok like I can on the 1.5 platform. On top of this, I love how I can guide the Zen through every single facet of any turn/maneuver, maintaining sail pressure, easily, the entire time (if I desire) through the slowest, laziest cartwheels... it's pure magic.
A little downside: she is a sensitive kite, and requires a somewhat experienced touch IMHO as her size makes the rods reflex a bit slower. And because of the size many of my physical movements are often quite exaggerated compared to flying the 1.5s, especially when I'm trying for precision. Willow Robin of iQuad said it best, flying the Zen is like driving a big 'ole bus with a big steering wheel
I normally fly the patented JB hybrid frame setup, however I recently jammed the ferrule on my 2 wrap center. Well it's been 2 years since I've flown any other setup... I dusted off my Race center, popped it in and have been flying on it for the last 3 days. I'm happy to say that a Zen fully kitted out in a Race frame is the best for me now 2 years of practice has improved my "touch" quite some, she is so lively with this crap North wind on this setup, I'm just giddy
My numbers don't look so good if you include all the replacement flying line and bridles that have been worn thru!
Do you factor in the travel expenses to go fly with your buds? OUCH, a couple of decades of that fun adds-up pretty quick!
I guess if I was "flat-broke" I'd still walk out the homestead's front door and fly in my neighborhood park, even alone.
I did factor in bridle replacement costs, but not travel... I live in a big master-planned community that has 3 parks within walking distance, so I generally do walk. I'd like to say I spend lots of time flying with friends, but I'd say 97% of my flight time is solo :/