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Stone in Shoe Bob

Member Since 16 Jan 2007
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#92767 Axel tips?

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 18 May 2013 - 05:30 AM

Oops sorry forgot to post the link. Thanks Madquad.

#92763 Something new !

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 18 May 2013 - 04:34 AM

Nice video may love the axle slo-mo, that needs cross opting into a How To Axle thread.

#92587 Revolution 25th Anniversary - 100 strong at WSIKF! (Aug 19-24, 2013)

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 02 May 2013 - 09:40 AM

Thanks John I was a little concerned I had said too much and clouded the issue.

#92584 Revolution 25th Anniversary - 100 strong at WSIKF! (Aug 19-24, 2013)

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 02 May 2013 - 05:01 AM

I've been dipping into this thread, off and on for a while, and getting more than a little bit jealous, if I'm honest.


When I saw John had posted the video my first thought was "why", when he had already posted the diagrams above, but when I watched it and he zoomed in to look at it from an individual pilots point of view, I got it, tucked in there in the crowd, the grid looks way more intimidating even as a plastic parachute man. 


I don’t want to tread on John’s toes here but I would like to clarify a few points and leave a few tips for anyone intimidated by the grid. I hadn’t really thought of it before but having watched the video I realized that we are not dealing with one grid we are actually dealing with two, The Kite Grid and The Pilot’s Grid, and although they are connected by several mile of line, (John has already done that calculation), it does help to distinguish between the two.


The really important one is The Kite Grid. The zigzag in the pilot columns is an irritating but necessary complication to keep The Pilot Grid compact, by  shortening the back to font size of columns, and keeping The Kite Grid flatter (more vertical) in the sky.


Once you have been assigned your position in The Grid and established your reference points, i.e. the pilot to your left, the pilot to your right, and your position relative to the pilots in front of you (in your zigzagged column).  You need to think of this position as home.  Whilst the kites are in he air, there may be a little bit of movement within The Pilot Grid, but only a very little and you should always be aiming to return home.


When I first flew The Grid, Stephen Hoath was running the show and he introduced me to the very experienced fliers who were to be my reference points, and the grid was built in the arena with kites. However if there are a lot of Grid Virgins, John may decide to rehearse The Pilot Grid without kites so that people can find there reference points. Either way, don’t let it stress you.  From what I have read there are several days set aside for this so any grid virgins should have the opportunity to “Pop Their Cherry” on a smaller grid.


Having established your position on the ground you need to work out your kite’s position in The Kite Grid. You need to know the kite to your left, the kite to your right the one above and the on below. You then need to establish Row and Column numbers and weather they are odd or even, for the threads. “Odds Left, Evens Right” you need to know without thinking “am I odd or am I even?”


That, once upon a time that was the end of the pre mega-fly planning, but now it may well be worth looking at the John’s post  #21 above where he talks of concentric balls and splitting the 10x10 grid into 4x 5x5 grids for smaller figures as these will require a complete re think of the whole “am I odd or even question”. But don’t let that scare you, by the time John gets to calling those moves he will have started to allow more thinking time as even the more experienced Team Fliers will require thinking time.


That is more or less the end of this latest, Stone in Shoe Massive Missive apart from to list my three big Mega-fly Obsevations :-

  • It is not difficult, just scary.
  • It is not quite so scary in there, as it looks from the outside.
  • In this game, size really doesn’t matter (grid size that is).  No matter how big the grid is the most you will have to worry about is yours and four other kites, the one above the one below, the one to your left and the one to your right, anything else is somebody else’s problem.

#92567 Rev Bag, big enough or not?

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 30 April 2013 - 07:57 AM

I've been following this thread with interest, and have been trying to compose a response, Stephen and I have had several F2F conversations on this before.

Kites wise, I think the Rev bag is fine. Stephen is right when he says he is a greedy boy with too many toys, his words not mine. Although in his defence, his requirements are somewhat different to most people's. What we have to remember is, that he holds kites not just for himself but also his wife and two sons. Then there are the more specialised Flying Squad kites Twisters,and printed Revs. If Rev made a bag big enough to take the Hoath's Revs, Stephen wouldn't be able to carry it. He has found the solution though, it's made from mild steel, pained metallic green and has a VW badge on the front.

Back to the Rev bag and normal people's needs, as I said earlier kites wise I think they have got it about right, it's the other miscellaneous pockets that could benefit from a rethink. My bag is one of the older ones (I.e. pre outside pocket), and some of the mesh pockets are worn and torn. I have been thinking of taking them out and redesigning that part of my bag.

The rips in the existing mesh pockets may well have been caused by me over stuffing them but with a good selection of kites, I don't think it unreasonable to carry a selection of line sets and maybe, 4 or 5 pairs of handles. And that is the way I had been thinking for my custom refit, maybe keep some of the general purpose pockets but remove others to make space for a Velcro in line caddy and some sort of inside fastening to accommodate handles and a grind stake.

#92399 Hi from the UK.

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 11 April 2013 - 08:40 AM

Wow!! A message from the gods ! ;-)
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Thanks Already worked out I need a vented to slow things down a bit. . . . .

Reading this I'm wondering if you are missing a trick here. When I bought my first Rev the official line was you fly with all four lines the same length. However most experienced fliers flew, and still do, with "break applied". This is done by tying extra knots in the break line leaders on the handles. If you buy a B series they come with pre tied leaders on the handles, but the SLE just had plain leaders, that was a while back, the SLE may now come with pre tied leaders but if it doesn't you need to investigate there are threads on the forum, I'll find the if you need them. Flying with "Break Applied" by default kills excess drive and makes the hover much more achievable.

#92370 Line sleeving

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 10 April 2013 - 10:49 AM

I use bridle lne, cut it to the desired length then use a pair if pointed pliers to pull out the core . Then put a thick needle or a fine nail in two keep the tube open to singe the end to prevent fraying.

#92365 Never used music. Am l missing out?

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 10 April 2013 - 06:43 AM

I was really surprised when I first tried flying solo with music. I expected it to not be much different. I thought that instead of flying my kite, I'd be flying my kite...with music playing. But something else happens. Even if I'm not concsiously "flying to the music" I find that things just kind of start to sync up and flow. It just feels good. I fly very differently.
I don't do it if there are other flyers there, or I'm trying to practice a particular move, or I forget my earbuds.

Andy has it so right. I was relly surprised when I first started flying Revs, I was flying alone listening to my iPod and relised I was actually flying to the music, you just can't help it. It is a technique Disney use for crowd control opening time in the Magic Kingdom they play marching band music as they open the gates and very few people run to be at the front or queues, it takes a very strong will not to walk in time to the music.

#92167 WHO WILL BE MEMBER 2000 ?

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 20 March 2013 - 02:09 PM

Must be doing something right, it doesn't seem long since someone was askin,g Who Will Be Member #1000?

#91835 Preview Post?

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 01 March 2013 - 11:14 AM

Thanks John, now you mention it, I remember it was the same under the old system, I must be getting rusty I havn't been very active on the forum lately.

#91823 Training for WSIKF2013!

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 01 March 2013 - 06:05 AM

Okay, first of all I have to apologise for what may look like a shameless attempt at self promotion. I was going to post some advice, but anything I was going to say I have already said in an earlier thread. A while back I wrote an account of my team flying debut at Portsmouth in 2008. Things have moved on a bit since then and I believe there is much more space at WSIKF for marshaling than there is at Portsmouth, but anybody following this thread may find something to help in A Make-Weight’s View of the Mega Grid (clickable). 

#91677 Favorite Revs?

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 15 February 2013 - 07:04 AM

Added Polo kites, although they're not made or finished in the Rev factory, they are authorized. ;)

Thanks John, I thought when I posted that my custom printed, though, "Licensed" may have not been recognised as a "real" Rev, but it flies on a butterfly fart and I love it. Prior to that I would have voted for the SUL.

The SUL was the kite that turned me from a bloke that flies a Rev into a "Rev Flier". It was a low wind summer evening I was struggling with my SLE and a friend lent me an SUL, within days I had ordered my second Rev.

#91106 UK Met Office

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 17 December 2012 - 06:59 AM

For those who are interested...


Appears to be UK only, FYI. :)/>

Thanks for that John, I should have posted a link and clarified the UK only situation, but then as you know us Brits are famous for being obsessed with our weather.

#84513 100 Grid

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 12 October 2011 - 05:21 AM

I really cant see the relevance of that link Felix. :ani_whistling:

#82064 Dunstable Kite Festival (UK)

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 18 July 2011 - 11:48 AM

. . . . .
Of other note, Daniel Hoath (aged 8) made his 'proper' festival debut, flying team in a Flying Squad arena display on Sunday.
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Sorry Andy, I think you are something like 5 years late with that one. I saw him do a solo with his Rev II on my first trip to Rougham. If I remember right the weather was rough that w/e too. True star performer even then.