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Stone in Shoe Bob

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#96427 60 quad line rev lookalike vs a Rev 1.5

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 22 May 2015 - 11:24 AM

Given that this site is owned and run by Rev it would be downright rude to recommend or even condone the Chinese knock offs, but as you already have the ripoff and you are now considering the next step it would be silly to to immediately right off your initial purchase.

I would recommend you consider on of the vented 1.5s, (full vent, not mid vent, yet, don't ask why, it's complicated just trust me on this) either SLE or B Series the venting will allow way more control in stronger wind. Any serious Rev flier needs to cover all the bases and hereiin the UK we have more unpredictable weather than many of friends around the world.

It's a while sincei bought a new Rew, but last time I looked the B series came with two interchangeable frames in different weights and the SLE came with one. You will need to be aware, SLE actually stands fo Super Leading Edge, and the kite is actually named after a thicker carbon tube used in the kite this leading edge that has largely fallen out of favour. I believe most SLE kites are now sold with the thinner tube but if you do buy an SLE kite you should check.

Your profile says you come from Oxhordshire, for Face to face advice I would strongly recommend you take a Tripp to Dunstable Downs one Sunday morning there are usually several experienced Rev fliers who will be more than happy to offer help and advice, I used to be one of them but circumstances have changed somewhat.

Oh and about the Chinese rip off. I suspect sooner or later you will chose to replace it but, given the position Gould are currently in I think yo woul be better off buying a vented, kite.

#95323 Always remember.

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 31 August 2014 - 12:05 PM

I know that strictly speaking this should be in Videos and Photos but somehow it seemed more appropriate to post it here.


#95032 First timer

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 08 June 2014 - 01:13 PM

My first piece piece of advice is to echo that already given and find yourself a mentor, $s spent on gas for a face to face with an experienced pilot will save you hours of frustration.

If you have trouble arranging a F2F, or are just too impatient I would recommend you watch the instruction DVD that comes with the kite. If they are still using the one the sent out with my SLEs some of the setup will be different from what is now considered best practice but it will keep you and your kite safe and the will teach the basic principles. You say you are an experienced duel line pilot, you will have to rethink some of what you have learned there, I won't confuse you with too much detail but you will see when you watch the DVD.

Don't worry about this now, but when you meet up with a mentor, I would recommend you take 2 or 3 yds of good quality cored bridle line to make up new top leaders for your handles, most experienced Rev fliers like to fly with some break set, and the Std SLE handles don't allow for this adjustment. It is discussed heavily elsewhere on this forum but at this stage I wouldn't worry about it if I were you, there are advantages to a beginner flying "factory settings" for a while.

#94526 My leaders ... your thoughts

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 01 March 2014 - 01:33 AM

@ SkyPuppet, I think you may be right, we may both be more influenced by superstition tand habit than actual Science. But hay if it ain't bust don't fix it.

#94522 My leaders ... your thoughts

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 27 February 2014 - 12:36 PM

I use what they call bridle line, 100# (150# is fine too), and core-less is better. It's available at any major Rev dealer, and can come in a variety of colors. I'd say get at least 8 feet to do one set of handles.

I'm curios as to why you prefer core less, I've always used cored bridle line on the theory that it is less likely to stretch. It also has the advantage of a built in wear indicator, with a black bread around a white core you know that when the white shows through its time to think about tying replacements.

Another personal preference, I use quite a thick bridle line for leaders don't know what weight it is but it's thicker and therefor stiffer than what comes on stock handles, probably twice the thickness of a 1.5 bridle.

#93852 New Member PMs

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 24 October 2013 - 01:23 PM

Thank guys, all sorted now, he has PMed me.

#93253 Dunstable Downs 28th July 2013

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 16 July 2013 - 07:54 AM

I will be there on my home ground !   :ani_victory: 
SORRY ! thats my apology in advance for knocking you out of the sky !  :ani_whistling: 

No Bill, there is no need to be so self dpricating, you have made some serious progress since last year.

#93151 Flying an inside outside

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 27 June 2013 - 10:31 PM

The SUL fits in between nicely but you would have to move fast to get off the shelf. The other option is maybe a Pro Std done as a SUL.

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The printed Revs are a great alternative to the SUL. Given that the sail is made from a single piece of ripstop they are lighter than the SUL and I believe the lack of seams allows air to pass over the sail more smoothly. I love mine, it will do all the up close and personal stuff the SUL will and it will also fly team more comfortably on 120's , in lower winds.

The one thing I will say is that, being a one piece sail it does need to be treated with a little more respect. There is still plenty of overlap between printed and Std but I would probably think of changing up to a Std a little sooner when the wind speed picks up.

#93116 Crossed over to the dark side.

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 24 June 2013 - 11:41 AM

I know when I ordered a few line sets from Theresa ant then paid their import duty I thought £200 was a lot oof money to pay for string. But then again, Theresa does tie a wicked line set.

#92972 Quad-line virgin

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 08 June 2013 - 03:20 AM

Thank YOU Moggy, it's my pleasure to help, even more so when I see someone really sinking their teeth in like you are. :)

That's why I spend so much time answering questions on the forum. it's good to share the joy and so rewarding when people acknowledge it.

#92875 Quad-line virgin

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 01 June 2013 - 02:10 PM

Took the kite for another flight today... As I'm new to the feeling of flying a Rev, and that (to me) it feels more 'fragile' than dual kites, I think I overly engage drive on the kite when there is a sudden avalanche of wind in order to try and relieve stress on the sail itself, rather than me yank on the brake and let it suddenly take the full brunt of the wind and drag me (or I walk) forward for fear of damaging the sail (or very occasionally I also lose control and the sail can go ape-poo at high speed, ho ho). The wind inland is very unpredictable, one moment it's 3-4mph, then next it's a 15mph gust lasting a good 15 seconds or so.
Don't worry too much abut this carbon fibre is way tougher than you would think, they make F1 cars out of the stuff the drives crash them at ridiculous speeds and then walk away. If I am flying and someone shows an interest and starts asking questions I will often offer them the handles to try. If I have already told them how much they cost the response is often "no I might break it, then I will drive it l/e first into the ground "doubt it" they are tougher than the look

As for letting the kite run in a gust, this one is actually counter intuitive, speed translates to pull if you let it run you will put more strain on the kite and your arms, don't ask me to explain the science, it messes with my head too.
I'm learning how to take the kite to the edges of the window to take the stress out of the sail when this occurs. It's tougher to get a grip on than dual-line kites as the Rev sail is flat and a little more unforgiving than the sculpted air-funnelled wing of a dual.
I used to let it run to the top of the window, to see how close to directly above my head I could get it it won't go over. I think you have said in earlier post that you were worried about that, it just lays on top of the wind, still take my breath away.

Or is 10-15mph too much for a full sail? ... That said, initially seems I need at least 10mph to get it up.
Well if I had a vented kite I wouldn't be flying a full sail but if that's all you have, I always tell newbies not to worry too much about the kite, as I said above they are tougher than they look.
The left and right controls are fully figured out though. :)

While the technicalities are still all very conflicting and confuzzling at this stage, learning is enormous fun.

#92845 Quad-line virgin

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 28 May 2013 - 01:25 PM

I wouldn't use guy rope cord hour leaders it may be a bit springy see if you can get a few meters of bridle line from a kite trader.

Failing that try a habadashers ideally you need a cored braided line. You need something tightly woven and personally I prefer something quite stiff what ever you do don't buy curtain cord it will have loads of stretch in it. And buy more than you think you will need, you will be surprised how much you loose to each knot.

Oh, and make up two identical sets its always good to have a spare set ready when one goes.

#92830 Quad-line virgin

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 25 May 2013 - 10:54 AM

The Survivor said it a lot more concisely than I did and he's set you another good exercise, but don't let us bully you into doing your homework, the exercises are good but don't over do them, a few minutes at a time is enough, remember this is supposed to be fun and if I becomes a chore you won't do it properly and you won't learn from it.

I really struggled with the inverted hover but one thing I learned in my struggle to find it was, never argue with the kite you have to be patient with it, if you feel it resisting you let it run feel where it wants to take you then coax it back an try again.

#92828 Quad-line virgin

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 25 May 2013 - 07:50 AM

Finally managed to get it up for my first flight today, ultralight frame throughout, the wind was reported as 10mph. Extremely shaky at first, ditched it a good few times (giving to the kite really helped, Wayne, thankfully no ditches were heavy as a result). Furthermore, that 80' walk is sure a long way when a few people are watching (I even picked the most isolated beach and location to minimise this, alas still the embarrasment)! Eventually got a feeling for the controls and was able to keep it in the sky and even land it gently on its feet mostly toward the end.

Don't be embarrassed we've all done it, and as for the 80ft lines stick with them for a while, you may already be aware that when we fly together we tend to use 120's and there are some on this forum who will try and tell you you need to splash out and buy a set ASAP, 'cos if the ain't 120's they ain't worth diddly. My feeling is that you will learn much quicker on the 80s and not just because you will spend less time walking and more time flying. Though the kite will appear faster because the window is smaller, the kite will be more responsive and feedback will be more positive, i.e. you will get a much better feel for the kite.

Soooo different to dual line kites. The controls are polar opposite! My brain was completely mashed for a while. It still is, I can't explain how I managed to keep it up in the sky, it felt more intuitive just to ignore my preconceptions of what should do what and instead used my fingers to feel the subtle pull of each line. As JB says it will all be about finding, building and retaining muscle memory.

To get your head round this one you don't have to forget the "pull left to turn left, pull right to turn right" of duel line flying, because you will need that, later but for the time being you need to put that technique to one side and learn to fly with your wrists. In its simplest form, flying duel line is like steering a wheeled vehicle, it goes in the direction you point it. You steer a Rev more like you steer a tracked vehicle, you you turn it by adjusting the drive on either side of the kite and the kite turns around the slower side, push your left thumb forward and the kite will turn left, push your right thumb forward and the kite will turn right.
You may well know all this and understand it, but to fly you need to learn it, so it becomes second nature, you need that knowledge in muscle, not brain. In truth, Flying a kite is about more than just pointing it in the right direction but until you have that sorted you are not going to progress. A good exercise is to Tuck your elbows into your sides, and imagine you have a strap around your chest and upper arms then you have to fly with your wrists, it isn't easy but it will help you to learn the technique. Once you have that you can release the elbows and relax and play with the slide because true Rev flying as about more than just pointing the kite in the right direction and many moves require a combination of techniques.

Above all the best piece of advice I can give is, "Enjoy the Journey".

#92825 Wildwood International Kite Festival 2013

Posted by Stone in Shoe Bob on 24 May 2013 - 08:19 AM

Just had another one of those true friend on line conversations. When life is getting you down sometimes the sunshine comes from some vey unexpected places.