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Felix Mottram

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#74784 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 31 October 2010 - 06:57 AM

Hi,
I am a complete beginner in terms of Revolution Team flying, but I have been a Square Dance Caller for over 30 years.

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I may well just be talking rubbish of course and wraps make it all too difficult.

Cheers
Stephen


Hi Stephen,

Thanks very much for posting. I think that we knew that there could be a connection but had not followed it through.

It's all in the wraps but that will not stop us <grins>

There may be an informal event down on the South Coast soon similar to the Dunstable event last weekend. It would be great if you were able to attend and do some calling...

Felix


#74783 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 31 October 2010 - 06:50 AM

I think the Decs' "bigot"* move would work well in a grid.

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I think you are right. The big step, as I see it is in moving from the basic thread or 'straight line' moves (bursts etc.) to wrapped line moves.

Along the way I think that parallel figures could be very effective. I mentioned 'infinity' from the 'diamond' and on Blackheath today we flew it as four with 90 degree turns having taken the initial diagonal alignment.

This also prompted the thought that this was something that could be 'rehearsed' without all sixteen fliers.

We also 'developed' the launch sequence that I had suggested by having the kites on the ground 'stepping' towards the airborne ones. This could be from 'face up', 'face down' or 'wing tip stand' depending on the wind conditions.

Felix


#74777 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 31 October 2010 - 12:59 AM

If you rotate cw or ccw 45 degrees to the diamond, in what direction would the REVs face at the start and then at the finish?
Why do I ask? I am thinking about warming up my Flash skills again.


I like the idea of animations since I have a hard time following written descriptions on these things.
As for suggesting moves? How about horizontal and vertical threads. I am partial to them since I didn't crash and burn during any of those at wsikf. Posted Image

I'd have to leave those up to the better minds.

Bart


To begin with, keep the same relative angle. Then, flying forwards into an 'Infinity' would make sense <grins>

I have also wondered about taking the diagonal alignment across the grid and threading from there.

Felix


#74768 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 30 October 2010 - 03:51 PM

I was hoping that others would be prepared to make suggestions for the sequence of moves.

This afternoon I pictured the 16 grid in a square rotating to a diamond! It is a small move for individual fliers but could be very effective as long as everyone knew what was expected. There are some switches to diagonal configurations that could be very effective along the lines of the David Ellison 'Radar'.

Felix


<grins>

And then we could fly a parallel infinity...

Way to go!

Felix


#74767 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 30 October 2010 - 03:43 PM

Would you be willing to put a sequence of moves together for us potential
Grid flyers to practice over the winter months



This thread is already going in the direction I was going to suggest. Need a "team manual" for the bigger grid. Of course now that I got my feet wet with this whole grid concept I'll all in for seeing it move forward.

Bart


I was hoping that others would be prepared to make suggestions for the sequence of moves.

This afternoon I pictured the 16 grid in a square rotating to a diamond! It is a small move for individual fliers but could be very effective as long as everyone knew what was expected. There are some switches to diagonal configurations that could be very effective along the lines of the David Ellison 'Radar'.

Felix


#74759 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 30 October 2010 - 08:43 AM

Count me in with whatever is organised as I enjoy the grid flying very much.It's a glorious sight to
See all the revs in the air together


The key idea is to prepare a sequence of moves ahead of the event and to make sure that 'everyone' who may potentially take part knows the 'score'.

It certainly is very special to see all the Revs in the air together.

Felix


#74756 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 30 October 2010 - 08:23 AM

Would the team consist of just recognised flyers,Flying squad and decs,or
Would the positions be open to all flyers,as you saw last
Weekend,there are various abilities,so there would be
Potential for a larger grid
Just a thought


At Long Beach it was a self selected 16 fliers who felt confident that they could cope with the conditions.

The focus would be on preparing a complete performance which could be 'learned' by many 'potential' performers ahead of the event. (I believe that The Flying Squad have a couple of routines that they are able to induct fliers into at short notice providing they have sufficient flying experience.)

There will always be the potential for the larger grid <grins>

Felix


#74748 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 30 October 2010 - 04:28 AM

Hi Felix, That's a great idea ! Like you say the skill level is increasing all the time, and that we didn't have the recognised callers there at Dunstable. We had Gary T, Ash & Myself at more than one occasion. And I know how hard it was to be viewing the grid and calling at the same time as thinking of the next moves. So a set 16 person routine will be great.

Do you want a fully choreographed routine or just a set routine?


Both! <grins>

Felix


#74727 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 29 October 2010 - 11:25 AM

At Long Beach on the final Saturday a fairly spontaneous 16 grid was put together in the lighter breezes. The main factor was that the grid was in continuous motion in order to maintain position/flying viability. Moves were performed and then the pack returned to the left/right traverse with turn ups (mostly) at either end of the window. It was 'great fun' and in my view suggests a way of developing the Mega Team project.

I'm thinking that we could set about designing the components of a routine based initially on 16 kites. I would suggest that the first move would be from the ground with all the kites set in a line. The top line of grid kites would take off and face left (or right) above the second line kites. The top line kites would then 'ladder up' with the second line kites taking off and turning to the opposite side. This would progress through the final two rows and then a horizontal thread would conclude the initial section.

I have visions of four block rotations following on from this initial section but think that it would be best to ask for everyone who may want to be involved to furnish suggestions as to how a complete routine could be developed.

There are many formative ideas about what may be possible with the 16 (or more) grid but I think that it would be helpful if say, ahead of Berck 2011 a sub-set (16) of the possible Mega-Team be identified and that they work together ahead of the event.

At Dunstable last weekend it was evident that the fliers were capable but we were not all familiar with all the possibilities. Likewise the callers <grins>

Thoughts?

Felix


#71211 Portsmouth anyone?

Posted by Felix Mottram on 16 July 2010 - 12:45 PM

Thanks Felix for trying....we can only keep out fingers crossed now.

Chris


Thinking ahead, who would be up for a meal at the Ethiopian Restaurant (if it is still there) local to the Halls on Sunday evening?

Users of uk.sys.comp.mac on usenet have a habit of meeting on the Goldhawk Road near Shepherds Bush at an equivalent venue.

Felix


#71011 Portsmouth anyone?

Posted by Felix Mottram on 12 July 2010 - 11:17 AM

But for what it's worth this is me, though as has already been said there is not normally enough space for us lesser mortals so I don't normally fly much until Monday morning when the arena ropes come down.


I wonder if we should approach the organisers and ask if a 'small' part of the SLK arena may be designated a Rev area so that the attending Rev fliers have an opportunity to 'warm up' for an arena presentation in the way it worked at the recent Sunderland event.

Felix


#69004 Top leaders out, but....

Posted by Felix Mottram on 05 May 2010 - 10:42 AM

A sure visual tell of too much forward for team is when the center panel goes flat and loses it's loading, at which point you may or may not also hear that annoying rattle coming from the trailing edge... Not only does the kite start to go too fast, but the right and left sides start to fight for dominance instead of powering off the middle of the kite which makes it harder to accurately control.


The 'death rattle' indeed, as control goes out of the window.

In my view, for a given wind speed the kite should 'just' achieve a horizontal 'Leading Edge Up' hover with handles in full forward mode (as in bottom tips extended to the top lines). For the Mega Team the temptation is to add a little forward so as not to need to move on the ground in order to maintain the hover. I am thinking that this covers the question of handle length as well. <grins>

Felix


#66906 Easter Blackheath 2010

Posted by Felix Mottram on 07 March 2010 - 01:58 PM

Would anyone be up for a Revolution 'Gathering' on Blackheath for the Easter weekend?

Felix


#64566 Progression and difficulty levels?

Posted by Felix Mottram on 08 January 2010 - 12:20 PM

Much in line with John's approach and Felix's comparison to piano scales, it IS all about drilling the various bits of flying over and over and over again.

Almost any time I go out, I like to spend at least 1/2 just doing the basics. Flying straight lines, in forwards and reverse. Sharp, crisp corners. Holding it dead still for extended periods. And ya, piles of clockwork practice, right above the ground. Usually with some rhythmic music on as well (janet jackson anyone? you think I'm kidding, you work on your clockwork to Rhythm Nation, you'll be SHARP!)

When I actually manage to dust off a guitar here and there, it's much the same. Scales and repetition.


Thanks for your post David,

The most important thing is that it should be enjoyable and not a chore. Repetition may appear to be boring but if the flier* sees it that way they will never succeed <grins>

Felix

*I know some like that...


#64328 UK Rev Flying Weekend North East England

Posted by Felix Mottram on 05 January 2010 - 12:30 PM

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If you are interested give me a pm, let me know what you want from the weekend. you accomodation needs etc., and we will add you to the event list.


Hi Vince,

The Decs may be able to rustle up a few fliers. Not sure if we are up to coaching but as with the Ainsdale event may be able to contribute numbers wise.

It would give an opportunity for the Scottish and Manchester contingent to get to fly before the main season kicks in. <grins> (just in case they are watching)

Felix