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Felix Mottram

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#83069 Terminology and Definitions

Posted by Felix Mottram on 17 August 2011 - 08:16 AM

I'm seeing the word "grid" quite a bit these days.

The above quote is from bartman's most recent entry in his WSIKF 2011 blog.

Could someone please define "grid"?


I think that it is illustrated here:-


The concept goes back to my communication with the Revolution Company back in 1993.

There are some good articles on Kitelife regarding the 2008 events... EDIT http://www.kitelife....s62/content.php



#81778 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 07 July 2011 - 10:37 AM

It's very interesting maneuver. I would like to try it when I have opportunity...

Last weekend in Sunderland we set a small 9 person grid in light wind traversing with upward 180's called by the top kites at the front of the direction of travel.

Other calls were interjected at the centre of the window by others and it all worked very well in an unrehearsed manner. The final arena presentation involved this format as well with 'musical' prompts to add to the scheme of things...


#80209 Portsmouth 2011

Posted by Felix Mottram on 18 May 2011 - 10:38 AM


Please contact Gill Bloom asap via info@thekitesociety.org.uk regarding bookings at Rees Hall which is where many of the kite fliers stay. A reduced rate for participating Rev Fliers 'may' be available if the numbers are sufficient. <grins>

A small number of 'free' camp site spaces have been pre-allocated to the participating Rev Fliers. Again please contact Gill asap!

Issues relating to the arena and PA appear to be resolved so I hope that fliers who are intent on taking part will now make themselves known here.



#79246 Portsmouth 2011

Posted by Felix Mottram on 09 April 2011 - 08:48 AM

The more the better.

I hope that someone is able to take this on.


I have asked if a PA would be allowed... We will need communication on the field!

In order to get a discount at The Halls of Residence numbers will need to be presented.


#79116 Sunderland 2011

Posted by Felix Mottram on 05 April 2011 - 10:46 AM

I have been sent the following text which confirms that the event is going ahead:-

"Due to recent council efficiency measures, the events programme in Sunderland has been reviewed and developed to create a new festival in the summer of 2011. The “Sunderland Festival” (provisional title) will take place on July 2nd and 3rd 2011 at the Northern Area Playing Fields in Washington and in other venues around the city including flagship parks and seaside resorts.

The new event will have a wider remit than previous kite and friendship festivals and will focus in particular on community participation and there are plans for music concerts each evening in a big top tent on site. Kites will still play a large part of the event with an area reserved for specialist kitefliers to demonstrate, and it is hoped that kitefliers from all over the UK come to take part. Sadly, there is no money to support travel and accommodation so it is unlikely that many international kitefliers will be able to join us, although they are still welcome. The city plans to invite a small number of guest kitefliers from a selected country and in 2011, it is likely that the guest country will be the USA.
We hope that, as in previous years, free camping and parking will be available for registered kitefliers, so if you are interested in attending The Sunderland Festival, please put the dates in your diary now. I hope to be able to send out more information soon and to start registration for kitefliers as soon as possible"

The Decs have attended this event 'most' years since the team was formed so I hope that we will find a way to get there again this year.


#79114 Portsmouth 2011

Posted by Felix Mottram on 05 April 2011 - 10:25 AM

Gill Bloom has e-mailed me to say that:- 'the Council have agreed for "us" to use the the top half of the underused public car parking field (near the Queens Hotel) as a separate Rev field - which is great for you and us as it gives us both more space.'

Further details are to follow. I understand that, and I quote:- 'if there were sufficient numbers a discount should be available from the Halls of Residence. This would have to be organised by the Rev fliers'.

So who is in and is someone local able to step forward on the organisation front?



#78355 Frame Stress From High Winds

Posted by Felix Mottram on 06 March 2011 - 01:28 PM

I will offer a guess that this isn't something that has already been done. It isn't really required for QA (although testing for a rod with the weight really off would be a good easy test for a number of faults). This sort of information usually only gets collected when someone gets curious. Once the information does get collected, very often someone will discover something useful to do with it.

Ummmmm ...... I hadn't really thought that far into the future. ....... Really :innocent:

After all, it might take years to find the scale. Posted Image

Aha! So the scales may not be immediately to hand? <grins>.

Never mind, I have not got spare sets of rods to send off for testing so I will 'stick' to anecdotal responses for the time being.

If necessary we will re-build the 'bamboo' framed kite that flew in Vienna all those years ago. I suspect that the original kite is still hanging on a wall in that fair city...


#75568 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 23 November 2010 - 09:23 AM

This is what I have interpreted:

I see some great possibilities to build maneuvers from this.

That's the one. Very easy to get into as well.

I basically answered the previous question I posed regarding the 8 kite diameter 4 way pinwheel! The back pairs could just slide outwards and forwards slightly and we have it in a vertical/horizontal configuration.


#75555 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 22 November 2010 - 10:58 PM

I am not quite with you there. In reference to the compass which way are they facing?
Upper group 270?
Bottom group 90?
or ?
I am also presuming you are only showing two of four groups of kites. Or am I wrong there?

Top left 4 facing right, top right 4 facing down, bottom right 4 facing left, bottom left 4 facing up...


#75529 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 22 November 2010 - 01:29 PM

With my idea of going from the diamond would mean a reverse flight of 45 degrees pivoting towards the center, around the outer kites outer tip.

I was thinking of a forward rotation which just triggered another idea which would involved each group of four adopting a forward facing position around the 16 grid:-



#75527 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 22 November 2010 - 12:37 PM

Hi Felix,
The easiest way is to start with John's vertical diamonds in hi octal diamonds but instead of opening out the centre of the two diamond formation to open out the top and bottom instead.


I hate ascii graphics and now have even more respect for what John is doing.

Is the next step to pinwheel 90 degrees (star promenade 1/4 or Counter rotate 1/4) and then morph back into twin horizontal diamonds and then on to zig-zags?


Hi Stephen,

I was overlooking the potential significance of the steps already described up to the 'octal diamonds'. I was wondering about a more direct morph from the 4x4 grid to the pinwheeel.

The next step would be 90 degrees and so on. Again, the idea of morphing rather than simply reversing is interesting.


#75492 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 21 November 2010 - 09:27 AM

May I interpret this as dots meaning spacing and the bar referring to the leading edge?


I have not got a better shorthand at this stage. <grins>

I'll leave it to the reader to determine which direction the leading edge may be travelling!


#75490 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 21 November 2010 - 08:51 AM

As you can see from my last message yesterday I am working the horizontal zig-zag which I do believe will relieve some of the problem of the vertical going to high thus the upper kites have problems positioning properly.
At present I am lowering the window and making it slight wider. Basically this is a lot of clean up before I continue with the rest. Surely I will be doing only this most of the day. Then I can get back to the more fun stuff below.

My next move it to morph from the horizontal zig-zag in to 4 diamonds, then 2, then 1. From here I could morph to a horizontal line or return to the zig-zag and then to a horizontal line or whatever we come up with.

Your thoughts?

I'm thinking that we need to fly some of these elements asap. Today we flew some 'parallel diagonal' moves (maintaining a diagonal line across the window but flying forwards) as if part of the 16 Diamond.

Here is the 2x2 diamonds I mentioned elsewhere:-




maybe to:-



#75485 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 21 November 2010 - 06:50 AM

Today it is raining outside and relatively speaking, cold.
So, I have a draft of what I call the Octal Diamonds ready at: http://gyraphicdesign.com/Super16

I think that this Octal Diamonds is a great move and offers a whole range of further developments.

I had previously sketched four diamonds (2 x 2) as a transition from the 16 grid and wondered where the next move may be!

I'm thinking that the logical next move would be to horizontal lines...


#75484 Super Sixteen

Posted by Felix Mottram on 21 November 2010 - 06:35 AM


Do you think your sprocket (asymmetric exchange the diamond) would work with Revs in pairs (line abreast) and so involve 16 kites in two large pinwheels (star promenades).

I am enjoying seeing this thread develop.



It may well be possible but would be 'very' demanding! It isn't trivial with single kites...

Of course we could consider flying two eights in parallel <grins>