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#1 jay

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 04:22 PM

I have a Little problem
After I launch my Bseries std I power it up as I pull the top of handles back more the kite seems to stall then fall out of the sky. I have tried all the setting on the knot system and the same thing happens. It's not even reaching the top of the window. What am i Doing wrong I never had this with my EXP,
Any suggestions would be helpfull
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Posted 14 February 2008 - 09:02 PM

Jade, can you describe what happens to the kite as it encounters this problem?

Which way does the kite turn/rotate when it falls out?

1/2 way through the fall, are you seeing the front or the back of the kite?

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 10:18 PM

I have a Little problem
After I launch my Bseries std I power it up as I pull the top of handles back more the kite seems to stall then fall out of the sky. I have tried all the setting on the knot system and the same thing happens. It's not even reaching the top of the window. What am i Doing wrong I never had this with my EXP,
Any suggestions would be helpfull
Thanks
Jade

I experienced a similar situation with various types of stunt kites in one particular park when the wind came from the sides.
When the wind blew the length of the park all was reasonably well.
I really never had a similar experience anywhere else.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 01:33 AM

John B
The kite powers up and then as I rotate my thumbs back more It seems to be putting brakes on and slows the kite, by this time the kite is at apx 45degress from the ground then as it climbs a litte more it flattens out then falls nicely down leading edge first so as it falls I'm see the back of the kite, would be great if I knew what I was doing and was able to catch it. :-) the kite is set with the two wrap frame, the wind was a lumpy 2-12mph, because of the higher winds I had the vented up as well and never encountered any problems at all, but obviously wouldnt launch in the lower wind range, The Rev1 with two wrap had no problems either.
I'm Thinking it's me Did something wrong somewhere.

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The wind was coming in from one direction just a little gusty
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Posted 15 February 2008 - 02:45 AM

Putting my two pennyworth in!!

I know you have been flying for a little while Jay and as such understand the basics of launch etc.

I have seen John do a trick where he pulls on the top lines with the kite at the apex(ish), this causes it to flutter leading edge first towards the ground so that if you are good (not me) you are able to catch it.

Also when I use too much top line it starts my kite into a flick flack like trick whic I didnt intend, often recovering by pulling on the brake lines to correct if I am lucky.

I wonder if you are putting too much top line influence on the kite, as it is near the apex it is starting to fly downwards with the weight of the kite itself and help from the wind on the back. As this happens the lines are becoming too slack for any brake line influence. Thus the flutter to the ground????

Anyway this is my theory, ready for it to be blasted into smoke ;)

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 04:31 AM

I'm guessing you have too much forward drive and not enough reverse tuned into your handles.

Set-up the kite with the leading edge on the ground (inverted), now apply your thumbs pressed forward towards the kite and see if it will back-up inverted. If it will NOT back-up you don't have enough "down" tuned into your handles! Shorten the brake lines (maybe significantly) until it will back-up inverted, then you know you have everything tuned properly. My bottom leaders are half the length of the tops. I tune based upon knots along the bottoms only. That way when you want to do a catch you have enough leaders above your thumb to reach "way out there".

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 08:50 AM

Thanks for responses
Thinking about it a bit more, I think maybe Baloo right, I understand what your saying revflyer, but the kite reverse launches fine, have no problems with it at all, apart from powering to the top of the window, slow climb to the top and that not a problem, it's only when I try to turn the speed up a couple of notches it seems to happen, thats why I tend to think I probably overpowering it as Baloo said.
Hopefully get out again tomorrow and see if I can reproduce it again intentionally that way will know for sure.
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Posted 15 February 2008 - 01:09 PM

What about your lines.The tops may have stretched and be longer than the bottoms .This could have a bearing on things.

A good tip i learned from the great Stephen[the cake eating king] Hoath was.

If you hold the handles with your thumbs on the handle end caps,but your hands are way up also on the handles.Sort of,over lapping past the foam, toward,or almost at the end cap where your thumb is.

The sail is distorted and loud in flight.

If you hold the handles with your hand in the centre of the foam and your thumbs as above,on the end caps
The sail is quiet and undistorted.

I wonder if a combination of the above maybe a factor.

Good luck
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Posted 15 February 2008 - 01:17 PM

Aye, the top of my index fingers are always just at the edge of the foam...

In other words, my fingers never cover the exposed metal between the foam and end cap at the top of the handle.

From your description, it would seem that you have too much forward (top lines too short).

Here is a little test...

When you launch vigorously and head to the top of the window, does your trailing edge make a fluttering noise?

When iQuad's kites are tuned correctly, they are nearly silent unless we're flying aggressively and pulling extra hard on the top lines.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 02:26 PM

Its not the lines they are all the same did have problems with my rev1 which was down to line lenghts being different. Afraid was not listening to sails had floyd in my ears.
When i get out in the morning will listen to the sails and report back.
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Posted 15 February 2008 - 02:27 PM

Yep John,thats a better discription than mine.Thats what i was trying to say :).

It was a good tip from The cake king :lol:.

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 10:17 AM

When you launch vigorously and head to the top of the window, does your trailing edge make a fluttering noise?

yes John they make a loud noise, I reversed my lines red on top black on bottom made a hell of a difference but was still getting a bit of a noise so pulled top lines in one knot at a time,yes I know should have gone the other way!! but hey it didn't fall out of the sky!!! :kid_smartass:

Is it me or is the vented easier to fly, hover,etc but not quite as precise, well have to give more body input esp in dive stops

thanks all for input think will have this sorted next time out move lines forward not back LOL
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Posted 16 February 2008 - 11:14 AM

Best of luck Jay.

The vented mellows out gusty winds. Much better in the winds I mostly fly in. Even use the 2 wrap rods in it quite often rather than go for the full sail.

I feel you loose a little precision maybe, makes you concentrate a little more to get that perfect (not been able to do one yet) hover.

Just think how worried you would be with a full sail in blustery winds though.

The vented is so much more laid back. A bit like you ask it to moove and then it thinks about it a bit later.

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 11:43 AM

Sounds like you're on the right track now Jade.

And yes, what Baloo said re the vented. ;)

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 01:24 AM

Glad your sorted.

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 02:55 AM

Jade and All,

At our Dunstable weekend recently, Stephen (Hoath) had a go on my kite (a B-Series vented, but before you ask, the following worked every bit as well on my B-standard)) just see if it was set up OK. Bizarrely (since I never do ANY of the line-equalising, fine-tuningy things I should...) he found it just fine, but suggested I 'put on more brake'. I now have the top lines on the second-to-last knot from the non-handle end of the pigtails and the bottoms on the knot nearest the handles. This dramatically helped in almost everything I was trying to do. Really, I can't overstate the effect, so it's certainly worth a try. :kid_content:

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PS Booked up for Bristol! Woohoo!

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 02:07 PM

Not enough wind to try anything but glides this morning still another day tomorrow.
got to get me something that fly's in 0 to light winds any suggestions.
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Posted 17 February 2008 - 02:10 PM

Helicopter!!

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 02:13 PM

You going to get to Portsmouth as well Fraser or just Bristol??

Have a look at JB's suggestion about a midweek session with iQuad, any chance you could get the week off do Portsmouth, iQuad and Bristol. Would be great to see you again.

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 02:24 PM

Baloo brill idea answer the transport problem as well.
was thinking along the lines SUL or Indoor.
will indoor stand up to the great outdoors
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