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#1 dave b

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 11:46 AM

Was flying my REV1 Sedgwick yesterday for a few hours on the beach, totally love the kite but one thing i have a problem with is the dive/stop. As the kite gets about 1/2 way down the dive it will often veer off to the left or right, the lines will go slack & the kite falls out of the sky. Don't have this problem with any of my other rev's only the rev1.

Any ideas!

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 12:28 PM

Was flying my REV1 Sedgwick yesterday for a few hours on the beach, totally love the kite but one thing i have a problem with is the dive/stop. As the kite gets about 1/2 way down the dive it will often veer off to the left or right, the lines will go slack & the kite falls out of the sky. Don't have this problem with any of my other rev's only the rev1.

Any ideas!

Thanks'
Dave.

The REV I Sedgewick is definately a good flying REV I. If it was not, it would not carry the Lee Sedgewick signature.

Did you try your other REVs at the same place at the same time?

I have never experienced anything so dead hard as that and I do fly REV I Sedgwick very often including back flip landings. The closest thing I could guess is that the wind was dead at that area of the window. A flat area upon the top of a cliff with the wind coming from the cliff could cause something similar or even a large object in the path from the wind. Try flying it on very open flying area with no objects in the winds path for a long way.

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 09:30 AM

Try a little more break, I've not had a lot or time with my Rev 1 but I find it needs more break than my 1.5s. It may be gravity is bringing the kite down to fast, rather than allowing the wind drive it down.
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Posted 29 October 2007 - 11:07 AM

I would agree with John, has to be the wind conditions. On a dive stop you usually have gravity working with you as the kite goes down towards the ground. There should be no reason at all why the kite would veer to one side or the other or for the lines to go slack unless you had some kind of swirling wind that was pushing the kite towards you (or to one side) as it went down.

Were you flying in steady winds, stronger winds or super light winds? I have found that if you walk backwards quickly during a dive stop that you get a faster and more pronounced dive stop. This may also help with more forward drive of the kite in less-than-desirable wind conditions.

I would try moving to another area and see if it still happens. Sometimes moving just 30-40 feet one way or the other will fix the problem. The Sedgwick is a great kite and I am sure it is not the kite that is at fault. If it was then the kite would react erratic all the time, not just during one maneuver.

Hope this helps. Let us know what you find out.

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 11:24 AM

Just a thought,but would how the kite was spared up make any diffrence.I think Daves Sedgewick is the same as mine and has three wrap in it[rev equipped].I find that after around 6 or 7 mph.The kite doesnt like the dive stop to be to agressive.I wont fly the kite after 9 or 10 mph,[i have the vented Sedgewick]
Ther is something in the idea Kent has in the movement of the person.Walking toward or away as the move is performed.Reduce or increase sail presure[wind]
Good idea i reckon Kent.I shall try the next time me and the Sedgewick Fly.

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 01:23 PM

Thanks for the advice, will try Kents suggestion about walking backwards to give more sail pressure.

Thanks,
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Posted 29 October 2007 - 01:32 PM

Thanks for the advice, will try Kents suggestion about walking backwards to give more sail pressure.

Thanks,
Dave.

If you don't have enough wind in the sail, you will have to create it by moving physically backwards.
Anyone who has seen me fly a REV, will have noticed that I am constantly moving to smooth out the speed of the REV.
When doing tricks with a REV, you also have to move rapidly, if you want to do the trick reasonably.

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 02:09 PM

Me to John,my Mrs says i can dance quite well with a Rev[kite] :mf_party:

I was trying to master the ELAVATOR[Reid designs stack figures].First reverse inverted up to the top of the centre of the window and then back down.Trying to keep the kite steady and level[DIFFICULT].
In a light wind[3-5mph]the Sedgewick was nice,very nice and at times when the wind dropped i had to walk Backwards a few steps to maintain the presure.
A few day later with the same kite in the same place,but in a good 8-10mph i had to walk steadily forwards so to ease the sail presure and to get a reasonable result.
The kite veard off if i didnt walk or ease the presure.

Hey,still no good at it though :rolleyes: ,but getting ther

BRIAN...

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 02:46 PM

Me to John,my Mrs says i can dance quite well with a Rev[kite] :mf_party:

otherwise not at all or ?

I was trying to master the ELAVATOR[Reid designs stack figures].First reverse inverted up to the top of the centre of the window and then back down.Trying to keep the kite steady and level[DIFFICULT].

I designed that compulsory along with several others.
If you see a shaded JNM in the lower right corner, I am the guilty one.

In a light wind[3-5mph]the Sedgewick was nice,very nice and at times when the wind dropped i had to walk Backwards a few steps to maintain the presure.
A few day later with the same kite in the same place,but in a good 8-10mph i had to walk steadily forwards so to ease the sail presure and to get a reasonable result.
The kite veard off if i didnt walk or ease the presure.

Hey,still no good at it though :rolleyes: ,but getting ther

BRIAN...

Try all the ISK(sometimes called IRBC) multi line compulsories. They are all possible and really not that difficult. They just look difficult. The problem is to fly them precisely and score good points at a competition. If you have a problem with a particular compulsory, take the element of that compulsory you are have trouble with and work only on that element until you have it down pat. Then work on the other elements and finally the whole compulsory.
If you have questions concerning the ISK compulsories book, you may consult me or anyone else on the IRBC. I probably know the ISK books the best as I was the person who reworked, with the approval of the IRBC, all version since 2004.
ISK means International Sport Kite.
IRBC means International Rules Book Committee.
There are three books from the IRBC. They are:
- ISK Rules Book
- ISK Judges' Book
- ISK Compulsories Book
These are the documents recognized for competitive flying by the primary kiting associations AJSKA(Japan), AKA(N.America) and STACK(Europe).

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 03:49 PM

I had sorta figured you wear the Guilty :) Party John.For a large part of the material.I am growing to Love and Hate the stuff all at the same time :wub: :angry:

No, normally i dont dance[SOBER anyways],

I knew you had alot of involvement with Stack Europe John and beyond,and i hope my earlier post wasnt patroniseing or trying to teach anyone how to suck eggs.Just thought it may help the original poster see the movement aspect and why.


Thanks for offering your Help and advice on the Comp/ISK stuff John.

Cheers

BRIAN...

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 08:30 AM

Dave B... Try more brake on the Sedgwick (i.e. extend your top lines a little bit at a time, until the problem goes away).

You'll need to be smoother and more subtle with your reverse input once you make this adjustment, but you WILL find improvement. ;)

FYI, I am responsible for some of the new compulsories as well (note the "JB" on the reverse octagon)... Sorry, but they are very possible with practice! :)

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 09:06 AM

FYI, I am responsible for some of the new compulsories as well (note the "JB" on the reverse octagon)... Sorry, but they are very possible with practice! :)

And that is not the only compulsory he is guilty of!

Actually the IRBC gave John and I the job of cleaning up, deleting and adding the multi line compulsories. The characters in the lower right corner are the initials of the one who submitted the idea of the compulsory. John and I took it from there, redrew the figures, created the text and etc. We then submitted our work to the rest of the IRBC for their critique. There definitely was some, in particular from AJSKA(Japan). It took us around 8 months to complete the revised Compulsories book including the approvals from AJSKA, AKA and STACK.

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 10:02 AM

However do you guys have time to PRACTICE or just Fly a kite :)

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 10:32 AM

However do you guys have time to PRACTICE or just Fly a kite :)

BRIAN...

IRBC work is down now after we finally cleaned up all the books. We now have time to practice and fly a bit more.

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 10:36 AM

Practice? What's that?

I never practice, but I do fly at events almost every weekend. <grin>

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 11:40 AM

Practice? What's that?

I never practice, but I do fly at events almost every weekend. <grin>

It's a hard life then?
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Posted 30 October 2007 - 01:55 PM

It's a dog's life, and I'm wearing milk bone underwear. ;)

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 09:51 PM

"milk bone underwear." ?
Sorry you've lost me, is that some S&M thing or are we back in the "what's a jumper" / “two countries divided by a common language” territory?
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Posted 31 October 2007 - 05:30 AM

Was flying my REV1 Sedgwick yesterday for a few hours on the beach, totally love the kite but one thing i have a problem with is the dive/stop. As the kite gets about 1/2 way down the dive it will often veer off to the left or right, the lines will go slack & the kite falls out of the sky. Don't have this problem with any of my other rev's only the rev1.

Any ideas!

Thanks'
Dave.



When I first flew my Sedgwick the same thing happen. I thought I was nuts :kid_drool: . The kite would actually come toward me when I did a dive I would end up with slack lines. I must agree with Stone in Shoe Bob's idea of adjusting the lines. As I the day went on, I adjusted lines and that were set for the 1.5s and the problem was gone and the kite became rock solid :kid_smartass: .

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 08:58 AM

When I first flew my Sedgwick the same thing happen. I thought I was nuts :kid_drool: . The kite would actually come toward me when I did a dive I would end up with slack lines. I must agree with Stone in Shoe Bob's idea of adjusting the lines. As I the day went on, I adjusted lines and that were set for the 1.5s and the problem was gone and the kite became rock solid :kid_smartass: .

Sorry guys, I did not think to tell you that as I automatically, without thinking extra about it, adjust my lines each time I change to a different REV. Even REV 1.5s need the adjustment from version to version. example: SUL to vented
I also adjust lines for the type of flying I want to do. If I want to work on tricks I like to shorten the lower lines. If I want to fly precision figures, the lower lines will be longer then for tricks.

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