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#1 Desert Rat Flyer

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 02:43 PM

OK, I'm in an inverted hover and starting inverted flight to fly to the top of the wind window.

I have different feedback and results from flying my full sail vs. my Shook weave.

 

With a full sail in higher winds, I can feel a lot of pressure at the tips, the kite does not want to climb and I get a flip over.  How do I handle this?

 

Different story with my 100% Shook (mostly its straight forward except for these two exceptions)

 

  - Sometimes, but not often I get the same pressure at the wind tips, I don't get a flip over often, but the kite does not want to climb.  

  - This is strange but happen more than once.  In LIGHT winds the Shook climbs like a rocket to the very top of the wind window father than either rev would normally climb.  

 

With the high pressure (in higher winds) I am pushing thumbs forward hard.  Feels like pushing on someone's shoulders as they try to stand up.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 08:25 PM

Too much input!! Try using smoother, softer control commands to achieve desired results! Most wing flips are caused by too much overcontrolling, trying to muscle it instead of finessing it!!


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Posted 01 September 2014 - 09:43 PM

Use finesse!  That's a difficult challenge for use newbies.  laugh.png

 

Well that's means more flying time for me 



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:37 AM

Venteds and Shockwaves are much easier to fly reverse.

This might be correlated to the fact that we use them when there is more wind...

Another great setup to fly reverse is with long tails attached to the bottom of the verticals.

If you feel you have to apply too much pressure, try sliding your hands lower on the handles.



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 01:10 AM

Issue is tuning entirely, too much forward drive, loosen your grip pressure and relax also

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 09:22 AM

Also try walking forward a couple steps to get the kite started in reverse up.
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Posted 03 September 2014 - 09:02 PM

Thanks Henri, REVflyer and stroke survivor for the feedback worked great.  Had success yesterday relaxing my grip and applying input with my pinky and not my thumbs.  Found I had tight in my grip and forearms.

 

Got to fly with SkyPupper tonight, always a great lesson.  Tonight it was the finer refined technique for holding the vertical hover

 

Cadguy, I will try the walking forward make sense and its a simple skill I can do.  biggrin.png



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 06:06 AM

I think Dave (Cadguy) meant walk back a few steps.


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Posted 04 September 2014 - 07:48 AM

Actually, walking foward works.

 

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Posted 04 September 2014 - 07:53 AM

Since you fly with Dave, I'm guessing you have long top leaders? Get used to letting them out, far from the handle. Use this simple test - pick a knot and try launching. Too easy - move to the next knot out, too hard - pull in a knot. Repeat until you can launch with just a step and pull motion! It may be where you're used to, maybe not, but it's an easy way to find a place to start!

 

After flying for awhile on that setting, try moving 1 knot out farther to see if your "sweet spot" has changed! Most of us end up using considerable brake to get better control!


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Posted 04 September 2014 - 08:15 AM

If winds are light, you may have to step back.
In steady winds, a step forward will help with the reverse up the window.
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Posted 04 September 2014 - 05:11 PM

Thanks, Dave. I had no idea that stepping forward would help. Will try it at MOTS this weekend. Should I give it a tad more reverse as I step forward? I have always gone into a hover and then moved backward slowly.


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Posted 04 September 2014 - 07:54 PM

Stepping back helps keep the kite moving up without moving your hands, thus keeping the kite more steady.  Stepping forward when there's enough (or a lot of) wind helps take some of the pressure off so you don't have to fight the wind as much, also steadying your hands.  For me, the windier it is, the harder it is to rise inverted and the harder I have to push down with my thumbs.  Sounds like the OP is feeling the same.  The wing tip flip means you've pushed too hard.  The way I see it, walking forward means you're slightly reducing the wind speed relative to the kite, which means you don't have to push your thumbs as hard, which means you're further from the tipping (i.e. flipping) point.  Good luck.  



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 09:29 PM

Dave got me started off right. 

 

I'm at the max brake on the JB handles.  Last knot on the top leaders and the first on the brake line. 

 

Then I got lessons on how to solid hard pull and step to get the kite launch.

 

Save me a lot of time by learning correctly vs. have to relearn as each time a change was made.



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 09:39 PM

Dragonfish, thanks for the explanation.  can't want to get some wind to try walking forward.



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Posted 05 September 2014 - 08:07 AM

Next, try making your own top leaders with even more knots, but leave out the ones so close to the handle! Start tying knots about 3-4" from the handle and make the leaders long enough to almost span the distance from top attachment to bottom attachment! What the distance is between knots is not as important as making both leaders as exactly the same as you can! Most use about a 3/4" or 1" distance!


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Posted 05 September 2014 - 03:55 PM

Cadguy,

   Total success with walking forward. Don't think I would have ever figured this out on my own.

 

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  I will be extending my top leaders.  Been wanting to move past the end of my current leaders by at least one more knot.  Love flying Skypuppet's heavier brake setting, but I can not launch from that position yet. 



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Posted 05 September 2014 - 05:57 PM

Great! another "a-HA!" moment achieved!
Keep us updated on your progress.

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 04:45 PM

Your right a true a-ha moment. Click with it instantly

 

High winds at our weekly Friday night fly

 

This is now a integrated part of my flying. same movement of forward and back like my dual line movements, so it feels natural.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 08:26 PM

Hey, Dave -- it works! I had no idea.

 

Two a-ha's in one reply, nice goin'.


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