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#1 Bruce 49

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 10:51 AM

Hi All. I'm about to order a B-Series, Mid Vent. My first of many Revs, I'm sure. Before I do order, I thought I'd check to see if anyone may know of any changes, such as colors, designs, etc. for 2014?



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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:05 AM

Retailer question, KTAI was a month ago

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:41 AM

Don't know where you're going to order from, but call Lolly or Ben at Rev directly, and they can fill you in on any new color combos for the new year!!


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:49 PM

Hi, Bruce

 

Welcome to the dark side. Get on the IKE forum, ikeclub.org, and talk to Jynx. She's from the Milwaukee area. I'm in Schaumburg, NW Chicago suburbs. The midvent might leave you parked on the ground much of the time in this area of the midwest. The full sail is the choice for first Rev in our area.

 

However, talk to as many people as possible before buying, and get out to some IKE club flys and check it out in person. We all have plenty of kites that you can try before buying, and all of the club members will be happy to let you try theirs.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 05:29 PM

Don't know where you're going to order from, but call Lolly or Ben at Rev directly, and they can fill you in on any new color combos for the new year!!

Thanks Wayne. I'll be doing that tomorrow.



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Posted 02 March 2014 - 05:41 PM

Hi, Bruce

 

Welcome to the dark side. Get on the IKE forum, ikeclub.org, and talk to Jynx. She's from the Milwaukee area. I'm in Schaumburg, NW Chicago suburbs. The midvent might leave you parked on the ground much of the time in this area of the midwest. The full sail is the choice for first Rev in our area.

 

However, talk to as many people as possible before buying, and get out to some IKE club flys and check it out in person. We all have plenty of kites that you can try before buying, and all of the club members will be happy to let you try theirs.

Hi Mark,

 

I'll go along with you on the full sail. I have spoke to a few people, and they say the same thing. Now, I think I'll be going with the B-Series Standard, with the 2wrap & 3 wrap frames. All I have to do is decide on a color.  I did meet Jynx briefly, last September at the Frank Mots fest in Milwaukee. I hope to run into her at Veteran's Park this summer.



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 01:28 AM

Hi Mark,
 
I'll go along with you on the full sail. I have spoke to a few people, and they say the same thing. Now, I think I'll be going with the B-Series Standard, with the 2wrap & 3 wrap frames. All I have to do is decide on a color.  I did meet Jynx briefly, last September at the Frank Mots fest in Milwaukee. I hope to run into her at Veteran's Park this summer.


Depending on where you buy from and the deal you can get....

A set of Race Rods pretty much does the job of both those frames. Cost of a set could be the same though! I believe Race Rods have a better reflex action especially in a Standard sail. Could be worth a look.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 04:50 AM

Depending on where you buy from and the deal you can get....

A set of Race Rods pretty much does the job of both those frames. Cost of a set could be the same though! I believe Race Rods have a better reflex action especially in a Standard sail. Could be worth a look.

 

A wind of Change has the B series and $1 for upgrading to Race Rods. http://www.awindofch...revbarresi.html


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 10:52 AM

I just spoke with Lolly at Rev. She told me of a new design called the "New York Minute". Just when I was ready to order, I've got another choice to consider. Now I'll have to stare at the "NYM" for a day or two before I decide. If you haven't seen it yet, here is a glimpse.

 

 

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 11:38 AM

I just spoke with Lolly at Rev. She told me of a new design called the "New York Minute". Just when I was ready to order, I've got another choice to consider. Now I'll have to stare at the "NYM" for a day or two before I decide. If you haven't seen it yet, here is a glimpse.

 

 

 

I have the brochure on that kite, and frankly, it doesn't appeal to me at all especially for a beginner. It comes with 4 different sails

 

Standard:

Single vent  20% venting good for 3-6mph  - bumpy winds

Double Vent  42% venting 6-10 mph

Triple Vent     70% venting  "High Wind" 

 

The frame is the Green Race frame. 

 

Seems to me that one would need to order at least two and possibly three of these to get the flexibility that one would get in a SLE or B series with a couple of frames.   A few people that I have talked to in the Chat room were not crazy about the Green Race frame either. 


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 01:13 PM

 
I have the brochure on that kite, and frankly, it doesn't appeal to me at all especially for a beginner. It comes with 4 different sails
 
Standard:
Single vent  20% venting good for 3-6mph  - bumpy winds
Double Vent  42% venting 6-10 mph
Triple Vent     70% venting  "High Wind" 
 
The frame is the Green Race frame. 
 
Seems to me that one would need to order at least two and possibly three of these to get the flexibility that one would get in a SLE or B series with a couple of frames.   A few people that I have talked to in the Chat room were not crazy about the Green Race frame either. 


The New York Minute Line is like the B-Series line (not Pro), but with an additional venting option. It's my understanding that they use the same leading edge material and sail cloth as the B-Series, so the performance should be very similar, when framed alike and in comparable conditions, especially with the std sail. The green Race frame happens to be a favorite of the pattern's designer, Ben D'Antonio, but any dealer including Revolution will frame it however you like. Order a NYM with a couple frames and it competes directly with the B-Series, IMO.

After 7 years of the B-Series being the only option, it's great to see another pattern on the higher-end Revs!

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:38 PM

The New York Minute Line is like the B-Series line (not Pro), but with an additional venting option. It's my understanding that they use the same leading edge material and sail cloth as the B-Series, so the performance should be very similar, when framed alike and in comparable conditions, especially with the std sail. The green Race frame happens to be a favorite of the pattern's designer, Ben D'Antonio, but any dealer including Revolution will frame it however you like. Order a NYM with a couple frames and it competes directly with the B-Series, IMO.

After 7 years of the B-Series being the only option, it's great to see another pattern on the higher-end Revs!

 

 

This may all be true, but the information on the brochure is very confusing to say the least. It doesn't mention what the wind ranges would be with 3 wrap, or black race frame in any of the 4 sail versions. It does state that it has a 25 panel sail, and a "no fray" leading edge. The info on the Rev site says that the Green race Frames are heavier and stronger than the Black race Rods, so it seems very odd that a single vent kite NYM with the Green Race Frame would have a wind limit of only  3-6 mph. An unvented 1.5 SLE with a Black Race frame ( the weaker one) has a much  wider wind range than that, according to people that fly that combination.  Doesn't make any sense to me. 


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:57 PM

You are very correct Captainbob, the literature on the NYM line is lacking- Revolution doesn't even show it on their own website yet! (That I can find anyways)

The 3-6 mph range you found was preferrable- you'll find the preferred range of a B-Series kitted out in Race frame to be about the same, per JB. Not to say it can't be flown higher or lower than that, just that's the sweet spot with that frame. The ranges given for the B-Series are extremes on Revolution's website- a 2 wrap flown up to 12 mph? That frame, like a black Race frame, usually doesn't see wind above 6 mph! But, technically, it could.

Revolution really should put out some specs across a few frames, like they do with all their other products ;) but I'm willing to bet that once they do, the specs will be similar to the standard issue B-Series.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 08:57 PM

The NYM kites are different from the B-Series but the differences are subtle. Most noticeable is the venting. If you like the way a vented kite "smoothes" out the flight and controls the gusts better, then you may prefer the NYM. More vented options. Ben loves the green rods over others except diamonds. But they fit his style. JB likes diamonds, black race and three wraps but not green. Again, they match his style and needs.

You will fly a full sail B-Series for many, many hours without "needing" another kite. Or you can get addicted like some of us Revheads and collect all the options you can think of. I have all the NYMs and all the B-Series. All the frames and have ordered my second Pro. I don't have close to Ben or JB's skill but I find different kites seem right in different conditions. I probably still put more time in on the full sail B–Series than any other.

Pick the NYM or B-Series full sail and start with three wrap or green race rods. Once you master keeping the kite off the ground add a black race or diamond frame for lighter wind. For stronger wind you will need something vented, but it sounds like your primary area is a full sail area. Fly with the groups mentioned. You will learn this kite much faster with their help.

Best of luck and welcome to the dark side.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 09:24 PM

Numbers!! 

 

Sorry, it's feel that rules!! All the numbers on Rev's site are SUGGESTED, you can use them or leave them! Your choice of sail, rods, line length, handles, leader settings, etc, all affect what flies in any situation for YOU! 

 

My personal choice is venting whenever I can get away with it, but not if it compromises a team situation! Experience will guide you to try almost anything at least once, to see if that's a combo YOU like! Find what works for you (as long as your budget tolerates) and who knows what you will find on this journey!!


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 10:44 PM

Numbers!! 
 
Sorry, it's feel that rules!! All the numbers on Rev's site are SUGGESTED, you can use them or leave them! Your choice of sail, rods, line length, handles, leader settings, etc, all affect what flies in any situation for YOU! 
 
My personal choice is venting whenever I can get away with it, but not if it compromises a team situation! Experience will guide you to try almost anything at least once, to see if that's a combo YOU like! Find what works for you (as long as your budget tolerates) and who knows what you will find on this journey!!


Yeah it's feel that rules but what do you do when you are new to the sport and don't have the chance to sample equipment? There has to be a baseline set of numbers for these instances.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 11:14 PM

Agreed Dave, agreed! But too many times I see people too hung up on them, expecting this or that from a piece of equipment that just is the wrong sail in those conditions! Revflyer has it right in his WOW club - they recommend you DON'T buy til you try something and make your own judgement if it is right for you! 


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 11:40 PM

You're right Wayne, people do get hung up on the numbers... human nature I guess.

Man I sure do wish I lived near a club like WoW.... I'm lone Rev pilot out here wtf :( hoping to sample some equipment at upcoming Kite Party, so I can make some informed decisions about a New Rev for me :) I'm thinking 1 NYM 20% and some new B-Pro's.... maybe a diamond frame to go with one of them....

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 11:45 PM

Find me at KP and check/tryout all of the above.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 04:24 AM

Yeah it's feel that rules but what do you do when you are new to the sport and don't have the chance to sample equipment? There has to be a baseline set of numbers for these instances.

 

That is my feeling. I just started flying kites and Revs in particular, and the only way I could decide what to spend a few hundred dollars on for a Revolution kite, was to read the spec sheets on this website and dealers websites, and I had to believe what they were telling me.  If I had a couple of thousand dollars, I guess I could have bought one of each Rev to start, but then what would be the first one I would try to fly? Added to that is that  vast majority of new customers, probably will have no chance to even see a Rev kite, much less fly one, prior to purchase. I live in a city of over 5 million people and have yet to see a Rev fly except the one I bought. I think very clear explanations of a product's capabilities, especially geared to the new potential  customer, would go a long way to help the buyer decide what would be the best way to go. Green Rods, Black Rods, 4 wrap, 3 wrap, 2 wrap, Black Race, Green Race, SLE, vented, non-vented.  and people think...." I guess I will buy something else, this is way  too confusing, and they move on,   


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