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#21 Controlled Crash

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:14 PM

RevWizard et al,

 

I contacted Revolution, and received a quick, friendly reply. (as expected from reading other comments on this board about their customer service)

 

I got some answers to my inquiries, and I thought I would pass them along, if you are interested.

 

What year were the made? 1995 or so. (I was fairly sure I bought the kite before 1996)

How many were made? A few hundred. (I think I made a good choice taking into account that the Advantage Classic was the second two line kite I ever owned)

Price? About $250.00. Kite only, no lines. (It's been 17 years, but $235.00 is the number that pops in my head.)

And finally the most important question, does this kite count toward the answer to the question, "How many Rev's do you own?" Kinda, a little bit.  But the question refers to our 4 Line Revolutions. (Can I say Half-Rev or perhaps a Step-Rev?)

 

Thanks for all the replies. I still haven't gotten to take the Rev 1.5 SLE out to play, but I did fly some SLK's with line laundry last weekend.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:15 AM

What? You had wind to fly SLKs and line laundry, but didn't fly a Rev?? Shame on you!! ani_giveup.gif


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 05:00 PM

I have a NOS skin that I would like to finish.

Do any of you have this kite and would you be willing to take some measurements for me?

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Jeepersjoey@yahoo dot com

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 03:06 AM

RevWizard et al,

 

I contacted Revolution, and received a quick, friendly reply. (as expected from reading other comments on this board about their customer service)

 

I got some answers to my inquiries, and I thought I would pass them along, if you are interested.

 

What year were the made? 1995 or so. (I was fairly sure I bought the kite before 1996)

How many were made? A few hundred. (I think I made a good choice taking into account that the Advantage Classic was the second two line kite I ever owned)

Price? About $250.00. Kite only, no lines. (It's been 17 years, but $235.00 is the number that pops in my head.)

And finally the most important question, does this kite count toward the answer to the question, "How many Rev's do you own?" Kinda, a little bit.  But the question refers to our 4 Line Revolutions. (Can I say Half-Rev or perhaps a Step-Rev?)

 

Thanks for all the replies. I still haven't gotten to take the Rev 1.5 SLE out to play, but I did fly some SLK's with line laundry last weekend.

go to the top spreader attachment points and larkshead (or prussik knot) a leader using 100# high test bridle line, try a foot length in the beginning for each side.  Place an overhand knot into the double strand at the end or as close as possible.

 

Now take your quad handles and have a go at flying your half a REV the correct way.  It won't side-slide but it will back up and hover, even inverted.  You'll have to "tune" for the correct amount of reverse and a partner will make it easier.  This kite design will need some big wind, but it will fly quad when you'd never use it as a dualie!  Prism's micron is whole lot of hyper speed fun too.

 

So now you can count your 1/2Rev and we want to hear all about your dualie/flown quad-lined adventures!

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 05:50 PM

I have a NOS skin that I would like to finish.

Do any of you have this kite and would you be willing to take some measurements for me?

 

 

Upper spreader- 15 13/16" (not in kite)

Lower spreaders- 49 15/16" (assembled, but not in kite)

Leading Edges-  50 7/16" (without wingtip) From bottom of leading edge, without wingtip, about 17 5/8" to lower spreader connector and about 40 7/8" to upper spreader connector

Spine- 25 3/8" (without wingtip) From bottom of spine (no tip) to Center T- 2 3/4"

Nose- 3 1/4" wide

Stand-offs- 10" (not assembled to lower spreaders)

The kite assembled:

Ground to top of nose- 34 3/4"

Wingtip to wingtip- 77 1/2"

Belly down, height of sail at stand-offs- 6 7/8"

 

Hope this helps.



#26 Controlled Crash

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 07:30 PM

go to the top spreader attachment points and larkshead (or prussik knot) a leader using 100# high test bridle line, try a foot length in the beginning for each side.  Place an overhand knot into the double strand at the end or as close as possible.

 

I am not sure I am following you here. Where is this "double strand" and "end" of which ye speak? I would have to do something with the original bridle where it attaches at the upper spreader, right?

 

 

 This kite design will need some big wind, but it will fly quad when you'd never use it as a dualie!  Prism's micron is whole lot of hyper speed fun too.

 

I don't know if I would try this with the Rev, but have a couple of other kites that might be candidates for butchering modification. 

Would this work better on a bigger or smaller kite?

 

It seems to me (from looking at my kite and thinking about it for the past 20 minutes), that disconnecting the bridle from the top spar, then connecting two single bridle lines for the top two lines, then connecting the bottom lines to the existing bridle line, might work as a quad line kite. I am sure it is not quite that simple, as I am often wrong when guessing about things I know nothing about.



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:01 AM

I flown several kites that were rigged for dual or quad.  The double strand is line of bridle line, folded in half.  Now there are two strands (or legs).  If you use High Test bridle line (100#) it is very easy to tie and un-tie,... so you can make adjustments easily and still keep as few knots as possible when testing/tuning.  You are placing a single overhand knot in one leg only.  When you larkshead to this pig-tail you will grab both strands, even though only one has a knot.

 

At the top spreader location (you are not removing the existing dual line bridle at all) you will slip that folded/doubled bridle line thru the hole in the sail and wrap the spreader fitting such that nothing can move when you yank or spank, pull or jerk the line.  This become the top flying lines attachment point when you switch to flying the kite quad-line.  The attachment point is still the dual line bridle for the quad lines on the bottoms.  

 

I've flown TC Ultras, ordinary 8' sport kites and the Prism 3D using this method,... but WAIT, there's more.....

 If you order today you can get a 2nd one free (you just have to pay add'l shipping and handling!    < just kidding > )

 

Charles Stonestreet is an older gentlemen with typical age-physical symptoms.  He can't grip a quad handle anymore!  So he flies a THREE string method (It's still considered mutli-line).  He flies the kite on the normal two string bridle using a wooden handle (imagine a very shortened broomstick, rounded off on the ends and drilled thru at each corner for affixing the flying line leaders.  He wrist rotates this stick back and forth is his grasp.  THe braking action comes from that third line,.... tied to the spine (center fitting) this time, so that by changing the relationship distance between the handle and his waist he can add forward drive or take it away.  Oh, I almost forgot, "Stoney" flies one in each hand at the same time.  A great show if you haven't seen him in Freestyle (OIOU) !!!

 

So, how long are these new top line attachment points (or the spine thingy is your going after Stoney)?  You'll have to experiment and I highly recommend you undertake this mission with a partner.  Testing and keeping track of your efforts is both fun and educational.  Enjoy yourselves and keep us informed of your progress too.

 

The TC ULTRA handles are excellent for this type of flight dynamics.  The holes in the plexiglass make it easy to stake your kite down under tension in a specific set-up position.  The handle has a finger outline like a pistol grip that easy to rock against, forward or back.  Since your not on Rev handles you don't immediately have preconceived expectations on "feel" either.  You are going to be making new muscle memories, start fresh everywhere!



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 07:22 PM

You are placing a single overhand knot in one leg only.  When you larkshead to this pig-tail you will grab both strands, even though only one has a knot.

 

I don't understand why only one leg would have a knot. Why leave the other strand free? How much longer past the knot would the end of the other strand be?

 

At the top spreader location (you are not removing the existing dual line bridle at all) you will slip that folded/doubled bridle line thru the hole in the sail and wrap the spreader fitting such that nothing can move when you yank or spank, pull or jerk the line.  This become the top flying lines attachment point when you switch to flying the kite quad-line.  The attachment point is still the dual line bridle for the quad lines on the bottoms. 

 

Do I do this once for each side? Without removing the existing bridle from the top spreader, the existing bridle will limit how far back the nose can tilt, right?

 

You are just going to have to type slower so I can understand. My excuse? I did spend most of this summer building and flying SLK's, I just didn't anticipate this side effect. On a side note, I made a four cell tetrahedral kite about two months ago, but I haven't gotten to fly it.

 

Charles Stonestreet is an older gentlemen with typical age-physical symptoms.  He can't grip a quad handle anymore!  So he flies a THREE string method (It's still considered mutli-line).  He flies the kite on the normal two string bridle using a wooden handle (imagine a very shortened broomstick, rounded off on the ends and drilled thru at each corner for affixing the flying line leaders.  He wrist rotates this stick back and forth is his grasp.  THe braking action comes from that third line,.... tied to the spine (center fitting) this time, so that by changing the relationship distance between the handle and his waist he can add forward drive or take it away.  Oh, I almost forgot, "Stoney" flies one in each hand at the same time.  A great show if you haven't seen him in Freestyle (OIOU) !!!

 

  Yes I have seen him. I had no idea why he flew his kites like that. I figured he was just that kind of awesome. I don't think that it is as easy as he makes it look.

 

 If you order today you can get a 2nd one free (you just have to pay add'l shipping and handling!    < just kidding > )

 

When one can buy one pair of X-Ray vision glasses for five bucks and get the second pair free, people don't mind paying thirty-five dollar S&H.



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 09:02 PM

 
I don't understand why only one leg would have a knot. Why leave the other strand free? How much longer past the knot would the end of the other strand be?
 
......... You only need one leg to have a knot in it, if you fold the leader in half and then placed a knot in one leg, of course the other side would remain longer. The longer, un-knotted strand will be captured when you larks head the flying lines on, it's not free. The reason for one knot in one leg only is convenience of adjustment during the tuning phase.
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Do I do this once for each side? Without removing the existing bridle from the top spreader, the existing bridle will limit how far back the nose can tilt, right?


............ Testing. The existing bridle is only connected to the bottom flying lines, rotating your quad grips will certainly change the pitch
 
You are just going to have to type slower so I can understand. My excuse? I did spend most of this summer building and flying SLK's, I just didn't anticipate this side effect. On a side note, I made a four cell tetrahedral kite about two months ago, but I haven't gotten to fly it.
 

 
  Yes I have seen him. I had no idea why he flew his kites like that. I figured he was just that kind of awesome. I don't think that it is as easy as he makes it look.
 
......... Nothing is as easy as a "master" makes it look!
 
When one can buy one pair of X-Ray vision glasses for five bucks and get the second pair free, people don't mind paying thirty-five dollar S&H.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 05:33 PM


......... You only need one leg to have a knot in it, if you fold the leader in half and then placed a knot in one leg, of course the other side would remain longer. The longer, un-knotted strand will be captured when you larks head the flying lines on, it's not free. The reason for one knot in one leg only is convenience of adjustment during the tuning phase.
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Do I do this once for each side? Without removing the existing bridle from the top spreader, the existing bridle will limit how far back the nose can tilt, right?


............ Testing. The existing bridle is only connected to the bottom flying lines, rotating your quad grips will certainly change the pitch
 

 

The existing bridle would still be attached at the top spreader too. I would think that this would limit the distance the nose could move away from the pilot, as in, it could not tilt farther back than the bridle will allow it to tilt as it is right now. I think it would work better to disconnect the top bridal points.  Do both top lines attach at the same point? Or do I need two leaders, one for each side?



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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:08 AM

a leader on each side,.... YES.  

 

You don't have to disconnect the bridle from the top of the kite either, it has no impact on flight dynamics when being influenced solely by the brake lines

 

you adjust the pitch using the top lines, so that the nose can move forward or back as desired

exactly as a quad should function

 

Feel free to test (with & without) the top bridle attached to the kite, it's not necessary to remove it

 

The dual line kite will not side-slide easily because the sail is very 3 dimensional, so cutting across the wind sideways is much more challenging

(S L O W)



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 05:49 PM

a leader on each side,.... YES. 

 

Ahh, this makes sense.

 

Would this be easier, or work better, on a bigger or smaller kite? I have several candidates for a conversion, but I don't think I'm going to do this to the Rev. 

 

Do you think It would work better to replace the entire bridal? I.E. to make the lower bridal attachments align vertically with the upper attachments, or do I want the tilt?



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Posted 30 January 2014 - 01:23 AM

Big kite is slower, little kite is faster,... I'd recommend a durable and light weight first effort The existing bridle does not have to be removed, just affix new leaders for the tops

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 01:30 AM

You could add leaders to all 4 corners and leave the stock bridle on, simply unused when flown quad.




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