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#1 Cody G

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:24 AM

I am going to attempt making a set of lines and am trying to figure out where to find line sleeving. Ideally I would like to find some fun colors for the sleeving, but I can't seem to find anything other than black or white. I have been searching around for braided dacron, which seems to be what most lines are sleeved with. Am I looking for the wrong thing? Does anyone have any tips on where I might be able to find colored line sleeving? Thanks for the help!



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:49 AM

I use bridle lne, cut it to the desired length then use a pair if pointed pliers to pull out the core . Then put a thick needle or a fine nail in two keep the tube open to singe the end to prevent fraying.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:55 AM

Tip #2. A guitar string makes a great sleeping needle. Tip #3 attach a coloured ribbon or rip stop off cut to your sleeping needle, otherwise when you put it down you will lose it.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:06 AM

I have some sleeving material in stock, most is just black and white but I do have some black with red tracer and some other sleeving that is blue/white and red/white.  As far as multi colors go, you are quite limited on what is available.



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 12:17 PM

Remove the spectra core from 100#hi-test bridle line, that left-over Dacron sheath is the thin stuff you are seeking, it comes in few different colors, red, black, orange and yellow, as well as white which you dye easily enough, how far do you want to go? Harold Ames tie-dyed some rok battle line for my wife, (primary colors) so she can easily keep track of her stuff in a big mixing of lines.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:24 PM

Tip #2. A guitar string makes a great sleeping needle. Tip #3 attach a coloured ribbon or rip stop off cut to your sleeping needle, otherwise when you put it down you will lose it.

The "E" string makes a very good tool and you may get one which has broken at the end at your local guitar repair shop.

Bend it in half and it becomes a very nice, long, flexible needle.  Cut your sleeve material about 18" long and thread it onto the tool.

Important........

   Now burn the ends of your sleeve material to stop fraying. 

Slip about three inches of your new line through the loop in the guitar string, then pull the sleeve off the guitar string on to the line.

Carefully hold end the sleeve in one hand as you pull the line back through being sure to leave about 1/4" of the line protruding out the end of the sleeve.

Tie a simple overhand knot at the end of the sleeve securing the kite line.

Hold that knot in your finger tips and with the other hand stretch the sleeve down the kite line.

Now fold the ends of the sleeve together and tie a couple of overhand knots about half an inch apart and your line is sleeved.

 

Leaving the 1/4 inch of line showing out the end of the sleeve makes for easy line length adjustment later if needed.

 

Hope this helps.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:35 PM

Thanks so much everyone. I like the idea of hand dying white sleeves, and it seems like it will be easier than trying to find colored sleeve material.



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:39 PM

Thanks Jim I was given mine, I knew it had to be a specific string but not being a guitar player I wasn't sure which one.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 07:35 PM

Thanks Jim I was given mine, I knew it had to be a specific string but not being a guitar player I wasn't sure which one.

Actually, an acoustic guitar has two "E" strings.  The one you want is the smaller of the two.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:22 PM

Thanks so much everyone. I like the idea of hand dying white sleeves, and it seems like it will be easier than trying to find colored sleeve material.

If dyeing is a hassle, try using Sharpies!


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:56 AM

And dont discard the core of the bridle, use it to make  "pull offs" !

They really help in the cooler weather especially if your fingers are more like thumbs !

 

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:59 AM

The "E" string makes a very good tool and you may get one which has broken at the end at your local guitar repair shop.

Bend it in half and it becomes a very nice, long, flexible needle.  Cut your sleeve material about 18" long and thread it onto the tool.

Important........

   Now burn the ends of your sleeve material to stop fraying. 

Slip about three inches of your new line through the loop in the guitar string, then pull the sleeve off the guitar string on to the line.

Carefully hold end the sleeve in one hand as you pull the line back through being sure to leave about 1/4" of the line protruding out the end of the sleeve.

Tie a simple overhand knot at the end of the sleeve securing the kite line.

Hold that knot in your finger tips and with the other hand stretch the sleeve down the kite line.

Now fold the ends of the sleeve together and tie a couple of overhand knots about half an inch apart and your line is sleeved.

 

Leaving the 1/4 inch of line showing out the end of the sleeve makes for easy line length adjustment later if needed.

 

Hope this helps.

if you put a "stopper knot" into the line BEFORE you form the loop, you'll have the pull tab you seek in glove weather.  When you make unsleeved line-sets this is a requirement, othewise you'll find the raw spectra has jumped over any knot tied into the loop at the end where you attach to the pig-tail on the bridle (or handles).  I highly recommend NO SLEEVING on the end that attaches to the kite though. Most of the tangles and twists of set-up are pushed out easily without all the crap dangling down or offering a spot to tangle-up or snag. -plm



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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:33 AM

Check some of the dual line sets out there for colored sleeves, I know I'm not the only one with fluorescent colored sleeves.



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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:21 AM

If you don't have easy access to guitar strings get some stranded 12 ga wire.  The individual strands work great for sleeving tools.

 

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:46 AM

 I highly recommend NO SLEEVING on the end that attaches to the kite though. Most of the tangles and twists of set-up are pushed out easily without all the crap dangling down or offering a spot to tangle-up or snag. -plm

 

I've noticed your preference for unsleeved lines. Do you notice any increased tendency for lines to break at those unsleeved knots? What I read about spectra/dyneema says that the strength goes way down in tight bends, and sleeving helps alleviate that.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 10:04 AM

And dont discard the core of the bridle, use it to make  "pull offs" !

They really help in the cooler weather especially if your fingers are more like thumbs !

 

Bill 

 

Pictures as a guide

 

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For years now I have been tying a knot at the very end of the sleeve loop.  This leaves a small "handle" to grab making undoing the larkshead attaching knot very easy.  It also provides a "stop" to keep the lines together when attaching them in pairs for winding, again easily undone, even in the cold.

When setting up, I am always careful to be sure that the larkshead is tight, and against the the knot on the bridle and handle.  Have never had a failure at these points.

Lynn's line sets are set up in the same way.

 

This all adds insurance that we don't have any unexpected surprises when we set up.  Having one of the line pairs come apart can cause a small problem in the wind if one line gets blown around the other pair when setting up.

 

Some of this may seem like overkill, but once everything is arranged in this fashion, set up becomes very easy and almost always trouble free.

 

We are usually in the air in less than five minutes.

 

Find a method that works for you, and stick with it....  When you deviate from a routine that works for you, bad things can happen and usually do.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 03:31 AM

I've noticed your preference for unsleeved lines. Do you notice any increased tendency for lines to break at those unsleeved knots? What I read about spectra/dyneema says that the strength goes way down in tight bends, and sleeving helps alleviate that.

I never trust anything I "hear", so my own personal experiences are the only guides.  I haven't ever broken an unsleeved line set anywhere near the knots in all my years of quad-line flight.  I use a figure-of-eight knot whenever possible for self-made line sets or bridle construction.  At the thickest point or center of the knot it is four strands and an added bonus: this knot tightens in both directions.  If you can "place" it correctly, it is impossible for further movement!

 

For line sets you'll make a longish loop, so if and when your need equalizing, you can just insert another doubled-overhand (less length used) or figure-of-eight knot (more) into that longest strand.

 

I'm constantly fiddling with tuning, so the line loops are eventually full of little tiny knots.  When the spectra isn't slippery enough anymore I buy new lines.  The older sets get cut down progressively shorter (as they gracefully age) until they are finally discarded or tuning into magic stick truss lines.

 

Everything wears out at about the same time for me.  Low wind kites last me a couple of seasons (max is 3 years for intensely abused)  High wind kites can go strong for a decade or more.  I'd say routinely I get a couple thousand hours (2-3) of pleasure before it's time for replacement on the sails.  Line-sets?  A couple times every year I'll buy new 120s, LPG when it's easy, Skybond when it's easy.  Both lines are great if different.  One is like flying on kinda' slippery wires, the other is more forgiving with flex but EASILY twice as slippery.

 

I only fly sleeved lines if they came that way, It's not my preference but I am certainly a lazy kite flier.  



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:32 PM

Just sleeved a set of 30' #50 line in less than an hour... Hour and half with cocktails. Buy a sleeving kit for less than $10.00 and you can do many sets of lines. It's fairly easy if you pay attention and have manual dexterity. Tying knots can be a bitch. Once you you get the hang if it it becomes very satisfying that you got four lines length EXACT. That's the key. I untied and retied twice to get it right. Only did one overhand knot on this because this is low wind and little stress.
Also used 8" of sleeve instead of 12" for weight saving. I think I saved .00012 oz on this set.:-) As far as a sleeving tool?
Guitar string really? Heavy gauge 12s I would
think otherwise you would blow right through that Dacron weave time and time again cussing as you pull back and try threading the needle. My tool has a knurled knob on it so I don't have to tie a ribbon on it.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 04:15 PM

Check some of the dual line sets out there for colored sleeves, I know I'm not the only one with fluorescent colored sleeves.

 

All of my sets are "Lime" and "Pink"...................that's pretty colorful cat_lol.gif


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 04:27 PM

They don't look it anymore but my lines have thin sleeving with a florescent green/yellow for green on the right(starboard) side and florescent orange for red on the left (port) side. The lower line sleeves have extra strands of black in the sleeving.

I bought this sleeving at the kite store "Luftpirat" in Hamburg, Germany. They have since gone out of business thus I have no idea where to get this sleeving anymore.


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