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#1 REVflyer

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:43 AM

I flew this past Sunday/weekend in heavy fog and a light rain (almost couldn't run the windshield wipers) on both 50# and 90# LPG.  I found the lines would bind-up between the tops and bottoms on each side.  Would an application of silicone prevent this?

 

It was kind of a hassle trying to keep the lines from binding, and neither set is high mileage (yet!)



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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:50 AM

Was this inflight or set up? I wonder if it is just enough moisture to "wet the dust" or similar. I've flown in heavy rain and not had my lines bind.


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:19 AM

I get to fly in fog during the right season a few times a year and never had any issue with LPG 90# line binding in any way.



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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:19 AM

Paul - did you mean the top and bottom lines would stick to each other on each side?? I've had this happen, but usually they separate during launch and flying!! Does make it hard during original setup, can't always tell which way to twist the lines, if they are!! I usually make 1 more trip, up and down, to make sure I have the handles oriented correctly when the conditions are wet!!!! 


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:50 AM

We do have this problem in the UK. It is rare and normally occurs Autumn/winter when there is heavy dew or rain.  Normally cleaning the lines with a good line cleaner will reduce this but not eliminate it. Careful line wrapping unwrapping during setup and packing away will also help. 


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:21 AM

We have had this problem from time to time, usually in light rain or in fog conditions.  If the lines are older, showing some wear, it is not uncommon.  A few weeks ago there were four of us flying near San Diego in wet air.  At one point several of us had that problem to the point that the kites were uncontrollable.


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:25 AM

What line cleaner do you use Vince
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:30 AM

Wow, I am surprised to hear this from you, with all your experience, that you are even stumped by this.

I am thinking that there might be something(maybe some pollution) in the air along with the dampness that is causing this.

I do believe you have the right assumption in that using silicon spray might do the trick.

I do know that some people recommend sewers aid(sp) to make line slippery. I have never tried nor seen it used.


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:43 AM

We have had this problem from time to time, usually in light rain or in fog conditions.  If the lines are older, showing some wear, it is not uncommon.  A few weeks ago there were four of us flying near San Diego in wet air.  At one point several of us had that problem to the point that the kites were uncontrollable.

 

 

I am sure that someone who knows the physics would be able to explain how much loading the water 'surface tension' can apply to very wet lines.  I ran a set out two weekends ago, as I recall, on dew saturated grass.  The usual pull against the ground anchor did not resolve the 'no actual twists' scenario.  There we no actual twists when I finally manually seperated the lines just a complete loss of movement along the length of the line.  The lines were not brand new but nor would I describe them as 'showing some wear'; that comes with ten year old lines <grins>

 

In misty conditions with light wind I have often seen slack lines spin and bind.  I guess it comes with UK weather conditions!

 

Going into a wrap with other fliers can be the point at which the lines are pinched together and the problem arises especially if a large number of fliers are involved.  Once the lines are locked getting the kites to the ground is basically the only solution and may be effected by the whole group moving/running downwind as quickly as possible.

 

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

If someone can get some video of this I'd love to see this problem in action since I've never encountered it in my own fog and/or rain

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:37 PM

I had no problem with setting-up.  I wind onto the handles and use a stake under tension as the point away from unwinding.  I set-up with the handles separated and far enough apart that all the problems go right to the stake.  I flew without incident for quite some time. but every once in awhile the lines on each side would bind up.  Darn things started to make me angry so i figured I check with the community on a solution.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:54 PM

I had no problem with setting-up.  I wind onto the handles and use a stake under tension as the point away from unwinding.  I set-up with the handles separated and far enough apart that all the problems go right to the stake.  I flew without incident for quite some time. but every once in awhile the lines on each side would bind up.  Darn things started to make me angry so i figured I check with the community on a solution.

Thanks gang!

 

I have often seen same side binding where the 'heavy wet lines' cross and then spin together.  The water surface tension kicks in and the lines will not move along side each other.  While 'in flight' it is impossible to resolve in light winds.  In higher breezes a sharp pull will likely spread the lines and resolve the issue.



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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:49 PM

Going into a wrap with other fliers can be the point at which the lines are pinched together and the problem arises especially if a large number of fliers are involved.  Once the lines are locked getting the kites to the ground is basically the only solution and may be effected by the whole group moving/running downwind as quickly as possible.

 

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We were flying with Carol and Cass Pittman and all four became "spectators".  The crazy thing was, the sun was out, and it wasn't very wet.  However, we all four had older line sets.

 

Fortunately, Lynn is very good at getting kites straightened out after the mass round and round and round and round, etc, etc, etc.

 

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

ah, light wind binding-up when wet,.... I forgot to mention that!  Thanks Felix, now I know why this seldom happens to me.  I'm such a fair weather flier and seldom give it go in less than a steady 10 mph breeze to boot <LOL!>



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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:39 PM

We deal with this problem on iQuad as well...

 

We do try to keep our lines clean, and be really quick with applying hard tension to all four lines simultaniously when you experience line-lock.

 

The movement is generally slightly down and past the hips, at the moment you untwist, to separate everything.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:23 AM

Line binding ..lol... Last weekend in the snow I encoutered as case of 4 lines frozen as 1. After making some pictures I picked up my handles and the kite didnot react at all.... Frozen together over 4 meters..... Some warm hands .... Solved.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 03:19 PM

Frozen Lines!! That's crazy Dude.

 

I would never have that problem Down Under..


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:23 PM

Frozen lines often happens when the lines are kept indoors in a warm and damper air. You take them out of you kite bag on the kite field when it -5 C or below. You wind them out hook them to the REV and the handles and they are frozen together.

The easiest way to prevent from happening this is to store your lines outside, somewhere safe, in the colder temperatures.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:06 PM

Sounds like good advice.

I don't think that will ever be a problem for me though.

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