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#21 hyzakite

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 04:25 PM

Not sure if anyone pointed Flippa to me but I got this one guys .... Turns out it's my 'old' SLE that he has Posted Image

The kite and handles are 100% (unless someone did something to them after they left me), the lines are not mine but considering Flippa's kiting history I'm guessing he's smart enough to equalise lines.

We will be getting together when he is down in Durban at the end of June - either I will be helping him get going, or I will be adding to his flying skills if all the advice here works out. It's going to be a little nostalgic seeing my sail visit me again.

In the mean time, thanks for helping out until we get some hands on time together Posted Image

It's about time you piped in! End of June is a long time to get some teaching in, but collectively our typing skills has nothing to do with flying skills, sounds like a South African Quad Team is possible, in the mean time, 30 days worth of mean time, I want to hear that Flippa is tossing that kite up in the sky with a little bass and rhythm and lead and vocals through each of his fingers, I'd do it but South Africa isn't part of my neighborhood.

#22 Flippa

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 10:37 PM

Wow! Been off the forum for a day or two, then got in touch with kwmf on PM, but haven't checked this thread.

I've only ever set the kite up with the three wrap frame, haven't used the SLE at all. The time I flew, there was enough wind that I could have flown my 10' Flexifoil without it falling out the sky. As I said, I could launch it off the ground, inverted to the edge of the window and either right or left before my technique failed me. I could only launch it LE up with my wife holding it in the air.

I haven't had an opportunity to fly again, but I have made up some bottom leaders to give me less brake and I will be trying again this weekend. I will definitely be giving feedback on my experience.Posted Image

As kwmf has said, I'm meeting up with him at the end of June to get some guidance and build up my skills.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 12:11 PM

Flippa - did your leaders look like this when you got your kite??

http://www.revkites....dpost__p__73482

This is the mod Steven did!

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#24 kwmf

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 01:41 PM

His leaders are good - i made them myself ;)

i think the minimum differential may be 5-6 inches though - i fly on 8 myself :)

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:23 PM

Flippa - did your leaders look like this when you got your kite??

http://www.revkites....dpost__p__73482

This is the mod Steven did!


Yip, the leaders are similar to that except there is only a single knot on the bottom. I've made up a set of bottom leaders with two knots, about 2inches total length and I'll try it this weekend and report back with pictures.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 11:22 PM

Here are pics of the specific sail and handles in question B)

The photo with the handles obviously has a different sail at the end of the lines, but it shows the leaders nicely for enquiring minds. I was flying on an 8" differential between top and bottom and if you were to use the knot closest to the handle you would have between 5.5 and 5.75 inch differential.

For those wondering about the knot really close to the top of the handle - I was unsure how the no-snag modification would wear on the leaders so I made identical short leaders top and bottom (they're about 1" from the handle) and then just attached my normal leader to the top pigtail. I didn't bother attaching my original bottom leader since I didn't need more than a single knot on the bottom anyway.

I use the same short pigtail setup on my Pro handles since I use them to fly my indoor rev with. I simply remove the top and bottom leaders from the pigtails and attach the indoor rev to those - all adjustment on my indoor is made on the kite side. Since I know someone will ask - no, I have not had any snag issues with this arrangement. Granted, I'm no trick monster ... but I've been flying this arrangement for about a year without a problem.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 08:21 AM

5.5 inches sounds like a lot of brake for a beginner to manage. I know some say you should start out learning with a lot of brake, but I think it makes the transition harder for an established dual line pilot.

Those extra two inch bottom leaders should do the trick to get you launching upright. Alternatively, tying an extra knot or two in the top leaders closer to the handle would have almost the same effect.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 10:35 AM

the dimensions of difference don't matter, as much as the ability to back-up when inverted on the ground. Regardless of skill or comfort level, if the kite can't do this then it needs tuning. Maybe the pilot's skill is lacking those first few hours, but buzzing around and not clearly focusing on reverse flight, speed control and hover is not doing much good over the long run.

I give folks lessons all the time and use a ton of down in my personal preference settings. If you didn't know they came any other way, you'd learn with lots of down as a matter of course. In dead calm/low wind you either learn to add lots of down in the tuning (and pump the sail occasionally) or you watch from the sidelines.

Final exam day is coming in the mid-atlantic states for low wind pilots,... Richmond's sport kite championships, June 16, 2012. All the low wind examples you could ever hope for will be on display. Pick one person's style that you admire and ask for assistance, we all share what we know.

I expect to see you there Brian!

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 10:53 AM

I agree and disagree ... why be normal ;)

I also hand beginners my handles with a full 8 inches of differential and they either struggle no more than any other beginner or they fly fine. My experience agrees with yours in that total new people react the same regardless of settings ... its those with some degree of experience who struggle most to adapt.

In this case, there is previous flying experience so that could be working against him for now. Once we get together and work hands on we will set a clear path of tuning.

On the flip side, while you may be correct about doing things right in the interests of the long run ... as a married man you should know better than to cloud the issue with facts :P

I know a number of people across a few countries who would have given up and tossed their rev because they were not experiencing success and fun. At the end of the day its just kites and the whole point is to have fun ... if the person isn't having fun then theres no point to what they're doing.

I say get them in the air and smiling, then show them the possibilities and let them go with whatever makes them even happier.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 11:26 AM

the dimensions of difference don't matter, as much as the ability to back-up when inverted on the ground. Regardless of skill or comfort level, if the kite can't do this then it needs tuning. Maybe the pilot's skill is lacking those first few hours, but buzzing around and not clearly focusing on reverse flight, speed control and hover is not doing much good over the long run.

I give folks lessons all the time and use a ton of down in my personal preference settings. If you didn't know they came any other way, you'd learn with lots of down as a matter of course. In dead calm/low wind you either learn to add lots of down in the tuning (and pump the sail occasionally) or you watch from the sidelines.


Hey Paul! I thought that might get a rise out of you. When I said "I know some say you should start out learning with a lot of brake" what I should have said was "Paul says you should start out learning with a lot of brake". :)


Final exam day is coming in the mid-atlantic states for low wind pilots,... Richmond's sport kite championships, June 16, 2012. All the low wind examples you could ever hope for will be on display. Pick one person's style that you admire and ask for assistance, we all share what we know.

I expect to see you there Brian!


I'll be there, my friend. Sadly only in the AM as I have major family conflicts in the afternoon.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:57 AM

And so another one begins their journey towards the dark side ;)

Please excuse the flying, I was doing double duty as pilot AND photographer and I'm not at Rum Buddy or Watty level yet.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:01 AM

And for those curious ... he flew on about a 6 to 6.5 inch differential today. I maintain my view that 6 inches is a good place to start :)

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 07:17 AM

I think its only fair that I chime in at this point and thank Steven for all his assistance on Tuesday last week. Having just got back from holiday, I haven't been frequenting the forum like I should, in order to do so.

Tuesday was very much an eye opener and I had a whole lot of fun. I was introduced to one of Steven's full sail Rev's on 15 metre lines and run through the basics of setup, launch, flight, control and landing. After some exercises, I was allowed to fly on my own for a while and then introduced to my own Rev (vented) as the wind built up. There were definitely some moments where I could feel Steven wince behind me as I lost control of the Rev. Posted Image

I must say that I found it reasonably easy to control the Rev after only a little while. Mastery will take a whole lot longer though, I'm sure!

The one thing I found was the effect that lines have on the kite is quite significant. On Tuesday, I flew with LPG 90# at 15 metres (one of Steven's many sets). On Wednesday, Thursday and Friday I flew on my own set of 90kg Spectra at 30 metres in varying wind conditions. The Rev felt a lot more sluggish on my lines and didn't respond as quickly or cleanly as on the LPG, even in wind conditions that were fairly similar to Tuesday's.

I'm now back in Johannesburg and, of course, there is not a breath of wind to be seen. Posted Image No matter, I plan to order some LPG and go flying as soon as it arrives. I'm also considering a full sail Rev..........Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

Thanks again, Steven.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 09:02 AM

This is a 'pay it forward' game ... the only reason thanks are nice is so that we know we are doing a decent job :-)

There was no wincing going on, just smiles knowing the wind was keeping you in check and letting you know theres still work to be done ;-)

Now you know why many of us pay for good line like LPG ... why ruin a $300+ experience with $10 line. Like so many things, we get what we pay for ... i'm glad you felt the difference and can make yourbown choice now.

When you have that full sail come play again for some low wind training. Watty and JB are way better than me, but i got some skills and i'm cheaper than a flight state-side ;-)




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