in the air again
Posted 01 January 2011 - 10:41 PM
Gave myself an SUL and mid vented B for Christmas, thanks to an American friend.
Used my old 10", rev 1 handles at first.
These are some photos trying out some handles my father in law made
17" handles, talk about twitchy!
I performed some stunts I have never seen before and would prefer not to see again.
But the kite recovered beautifully in mid air.
If only I could remember to pull on the brake lines rather than let them go when it is hurtling leading edge down into the sand.
Plenty of catching up to do.
The wind built up over the afternoon so both sails got an airing.
Posted 02 January 2011 - 06:30 AM
Likewise, differential movements of the handles cause CW and CCW rotation, NOT (repeat NOT) left or right motion.
Any time I hear of someone causing a kite to do MORE of the wrong action, I suspect they are thinking of Up/Down and Right/Left, rather than Forward/Back and CW/CCW.
BTW, the CW/CCW concept is very important with 2-line kites as well -- maybe even more important since they don't have 'brakes'.
Nice photos -- especially the layout.
Edited by --Pete, 02 January 2011 - 10:08 AM.
Posted 03 January 2011 - 03:47 PM
When I last flew, in retrospect, my break lines were too slack so I gave up on anything but powering the kite through the sky at altitude.
As a result I completely trained my muscle brain into forward is down, backward is up.
Self taught is always a danger.
It took me 2 years to "unlearn" Basic programming.
3 years to drop my wrist and barre an F cord rather than wrap my hand around the neck and use my thumb.
Always launched from LE up position.
Now I am spending half my flying time with the leading edge down.
Gingerly lifting the kite off the beach and then putting it down again.
My next difficulty is left and right in the inverted position
As it lifts off the sand, LE down, my instinctive is to pull my right hand back to slide the kite right.
It is excellent doing battle with your own mind.
The distraction for daly life is absolute.
i am spending y spare time scouring the archives to see what other bad habits I need to fix.
Watched all the videos which were not available 10 years ago.
Got my thumbs up onto the tops of the handles with great improvement in control.
I have ordered some titanium tube from Latvia! to make some new handles.
The 17'' from my father in law are solid stainless steel and far too heavy.
And 17'' is too long for anything but the lightest winds.
Thyanks for your kind advice.
My wife is a professional photographer.
Posted 03 January 2011 - 05:30 PM
Posted 03 January 2011 - 06:35 PM
They were out about an inch and half left to right.
And 4 inches top to bottom.
I have now learned the tops stretch more...
So I have rotated top to bottom and equalized lines by the droop method....no ageist comments please.
Maybe you could advise at what sort of wind speed or leading edge curve I should consider slipping an extra rod into the leading edge of the vented B.
I have already been advised to tighten the bungees.
Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:19 PM
I am flying the vented sail on 3 wrap which seems great at 8 to 15 mph but starts to flex ?significantly? over 15 mph
I do not have a 4 wrap for a 1.5, but I do have a 2 wrap from the SUL, that may help stiffen the leading edge.
I am not so much concerned at snapping a rod..the verticals apparently...
It is more concern at stretching the sail if it "cups" too much.
Or making it harder for me to learn the basic manoeuvres.
Posted 04 January 2011 - 03:56 AM
When the lines are singing loudly and the frame is flexing significantly, even away from the center of the window it's time to stiffen-up the frame.
If you want to flail, then leave the lighter weight sticks in and use more of the window's edge as your flying space. Work on dumping all the pressure and then snapping it back again, try some slack line stuff or an axel, enjoy that burst of energy when you need it by flying back towards the center.
Posted 04 January 2011 - 11:07 AM
Posted 05 January 2011 - 09:30 PM
There is something I would not have considered.
Posted 05 January 2011 - 10:12 PM
2 wrap in a vented.
There is something I would not have considered.
I fly with Race Rods in my vented and standard all the time
Not sure the last time I put anything else in them
Posted 06 January 2011 - 10:56 AM
In talking about the slack in your bottom lines, might be one of the issues...
Lots of topics here about "tuning" and "leaders" to chew on.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 11:17 AM
Posted 06 January 2011 - 01:52 PM
Posted 07 January 2011 - 09:58 AM
Dave I'll let the experts guide you in set up but I'll just welcome you back............. Ben
Don't let him fool you, probably forgot more than some of us know!!!
Posted 08 January 2011 - 12:16 AM
Yes I have leaders on the top of my handles, they are visible in the second photo.
The interval is about 2" which is a bit too much I think.
I like the idea of tuning each time I fly.
Experimenting with power versus brake.
Of forward versus backward is probably a better head space.
My days of thundering into the sand are now over, thanks to lengthening the forward lines.
Rev kites are so expensive in Australia a b series is $560
A friend in America packaged an SUL sail and 2 wrap rods
A mid vented rev B with 3wrap rods
And a couple of rods to repair my old rev 1
All this, with postage was still less than a single b series kite!
We are a limited market and individual accessories are hard to find.
I already had handles and some dodgy lines from the olden days and did not think to include them in the package.
I am making up another shopping list
So, what lines do I need
I like 75 foot.
Do I need a light wind set and a strong wind set?
The titanium tubing is on it's way from Latvia for mynnew handles :-)
on your advice I might order 4 wrap rods for the mid vent.
I am not sure what race rods are, or whether a novice would benefit.
Of course I would like a zen and a vented model of those kites with the eyes....
I am stuck in a caravan park with 30 mph winds too scared to stretch my sails, in 35C heat.
My good wife is off fishing
So i am left with my iPad for company, and some friends, probably snowed in, on the other side of the globe.
Posted 08 January 2011 - 12:55 PM
Relatively light pull and venting dampens inputs so not too squirrely yet retain speed. Can add more brake (lengthen top or shorten bottom) if too fast for you.
Edited by lylenc, 08 January 2011 - 01:04 PM.
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 03:47 PM
Edited by stroke victim, 08 January 2011 - 03:53 PM.
Posted 09 January 2011 - 04:18 AM
Current line is some sort of heavy duty braid.
I guess good qualities are light weight strength and no stretch.
Spider wire fishing braid would sound good but would probably decapitate bystanders
Posted 09 January 2011 - 11:30 AM
Posted 09 January 2011 - 01:05 PM
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