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#381 RevWizard

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 01:11 PM

I doubt transitioning from a square to a diamond is reasonably possible with 100 considering the given length of lines at 120 feet. The diamond itself is the problem being that the upper tip would most likely be well outside the wind window.
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When you have 16 in a square and you want to transit to a diamond, that could look quite nice.
I picture two reasonable ways to transit at this time. One being a slow rotate of all revs in clock fashion by 45 degrees.
The other is kind of a breath in breath out method where sides breath out and the corners breath in.
I like the latter best.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 01:22 PM

When you have 16 in a square and you want to transit to a diamond, that could look quite nice.
I picture two reasonable ways to transit at this time. One being a slow rotate of all revs in clock fashion by 45 degrees.
The other is kind of a breath in breath out method where sides breath out and the corners breath in.
I like the latter best.

In fact I already did something similar to the latter as can be seen in these animations:
http://gyraphicdesig...animate/HH.html

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 02:58 PM

In fact I already did something similar to the latter as can be seen in these animations:
http://gyraphicdesig...animate/HH.html


I did not mean to imply rotating the 100 grid, it was just about getting the number of fliers together.

The rotation I was referring to was a 4x4 square rotating into a diamond,

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 03:20 PM

I did not mean to imply rotating the 100 grid, it was just about getting the number of fliers together.

The rotation I was referring to was a 4x4 square rotating into a diamond,

Felix

May I presume you are referring to CB to EA to CB at this url: http://gyraphicdesig...animate/CB.html ?

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 05:55 PM

May I presume you are referring to CB to EA to CB at this url: http://gyraphicdesig...animate/CB.html ?

John

Try CB to HH at: http://gyraphicdesig...animate/CB.html
It is new today.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:28 PM

I created an animate gif for what I understand from the first sentence.

(click on the image to see the animation)
The next sentence animation will be next.


John,

This was the one!

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 05:30 AM

John,

This was the one!

Felix

That one is quite early and needs a lot of animation refinement.
I'll work on it a bit today.

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 08:51 AM

That one is quite early and needs a lot of animation refinement.
I'll work on it a bit today.

OK Felix, Check this out. http://gyraphicdesig...animate/CA.html
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Posted 09 April 2011 - 08:53 AM

OK Felix, Check this out. http://gyraphicdesig...animate/CA.html
John

I'll correct the HA static image later today.

John

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 09:26 AM

I'll correct the HA static image later today.

John


That is the move, simple in appearance but great for coordination...

Thanks

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 03:01 PM

That is the move, simple in appearance but great for coordination...

Thanks

Felix

I had a team of four doing it today. It was not easy at first for them, however they did get it going fairly well with a few tries.

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#392 Jim Foster

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 07:16 PM

I had a team of four doing it today. It was not easy at first for them, however they did get it going fairly well with a few tries.


The problem I had was getting the other fliers to understand just how the group was to move, and how they should look after the move. Once that was accomplished, it went rather smoothly.
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Posted 10 April 2011 - 05:39 AM

The problem I had was getting the other fliers to understand just how the group was to move, and how they should look after the move. Once that was accomplished, it went rather smoothly.


This 'getting the other fliers to understand...' does seem to be a core issue which is why I think what John has done so far is so good. The next 'hurdle' is to get the fliers to familiarise themselves with the possibilities. There are so many, it does become slightly mind boggling!

However, the most difficult thing in my view will be finding the way to articulate calls on the field <grins>

One way forward may be to 'write' a routine that breaks down into four sections that could be rehearsed by groups of four ahead of a sixteen event. <deja vu>

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 08:50 AM

This 'getting the other fliers to understand...' does seem to be a core issue which is why I think what John has done so far is so good. The next 'hurdle' is to get the fliers to familiarise themselves with the possibilities. There are so many, it does become slightly mind boggling!

However, the most difficult thing in my view will be finding the way to articulate calls on the field <grins>

One way forward may be to 'write' a routine that breaks down into four sections that could be rehearsed by groups of four ahead of a sixteen event. <deja vu>

Felix


In the instance of the four kite box that we were doing, perhaps something like "Pinwheel the box, anti clockwise, 45 degrees"

Using the same or nearly the same call for a quadrant as for a single line may work for some formations.
There will be four or five of us today. With five, there will be a kite in the center of the box. "Pinwheel the box on the center kite, ........" I'll give it a try.

Just a thought.
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Posted 10 April 2011 - 09:06 AM

In the instance of the four kite box that we were doing, perhaps something like "Pinwheel the box, anti clockwise, 45 degrees"

Using the same or nearly the same call for a quadrant as for a single line may work for some formations.
There will be four or five of us today. With five, there will be a kite in the center of the box. "Pinwheel the box on the center kite, ........" I'll give it a try.

Just a thought.


Yes... Saying all the words and conveying the meaning is the issue!

The beauty of it is that if the fliers understand the command and fly accordingly the intention is immediately clear and the execution relatively easy. (Just like so many things about mega team flying)

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 12:19 PM

Yes... Saying all the words and conveying the meaning is the issue!

The beauty of it is that if the fliers understand the command and fly accordingly the intention is immediately clear and the execution relatively easy. (Just like so many things about mega team flying)

Felix

I think the move they were doing yesterday with five REVs(kind like a five on one dice) could be really look super nice when it flows very smoothly. The REV in middle has it the easiest as all they do is maintain center position and rotate with the others, where the outside four have to rotate around the axis of the center kite.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 07:48 PM

Great flying today at Coronado Cays.

At first there were four of us. The first thing I called was a "two by two" into a box. I then called "pinwheel on the center of the box, anti clockwise, 45 degrees", and without hesitation, the box made the move. Everyone understood the call. I had not warned anyone that it was coming, but all understood "pinwheel on the center of the box".

I did not try it again after the fifth flier showed up, but we are all meeting there tomorrow and will give it a go with five just for fun.
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Posted 10 April 2011 - 08:42 PM

Great flying today at Coronado Cays.

At first there were four of us. The first thing I called was a "two by two" into a box. I then called "pinwheel on the center of the box, anti clockwise, 45 degrees", and without hesitation, the box made the move. Everyone understood the call. I had not warned anyone that it was coming, but all understood "pinwheel on the center of the box".

I did not try it again after the fifth flier showed up, but we are all meeting there tomorrow and will give it a go with five just for fun.

Great Jim!

Now imagine the 16 grid (4x4). Please line up in a column, such as the left side and try it again. Then try lining up in a row such as the top and do it again.
Oh yes, try to pivot around the imaginary center point of the 16 grid. Maybe you can use the 5th REV assume that imaginary point as reference for the others.
In this way you are somewhat simulating the 16 grid.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 09:28 PM

Great Jim!

Now imagine the 16 grid (4x4). Please line up in a column, such as the left side and try it again. Then try lining up in a row such as the top and do it again.
Oh yes, try to pivot around the imaginary center point of the 16 grid. Maybe you can use the 5th REV assume that imaginary point as reference for the others.
In this way you are somewhat simulating the 16 grid.


Don't know about four kites in a column or row trying to simulate a grid of 16, some folks can visualize better than others. Moving one set of four to a different quadrant of the grid may be a bit easier, especially using a fifth kite in the center of a would be 16 grid.

We'll play with it some tomorrow. Sure could use another 11 or 12 fliers. Tough to come by here.
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Posted 26 April 2011 - 04:45 PM

I added a new panel named "Routines"
The previous three routines in panel "K - 4 Corners" have been moved into panel "Routines".
A new routine named "Four Gears" has be added. The URL is:
http://gyraphicdesig.../FourGears.html

Enjoy, John M

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