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#21 RevWizard

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 09:53 AM

Fine, now I must work on the basics for a while so I can continue on.
You will notice in the first animation that the grid was shrinking and enlarging. I'll cure that now.

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 09:55 AM

I think the Decs' "bigot"* move would work well in a grid.

Counting from the left start with 4 rows of odds facing up, evens facing down. Odds all move one place to right by pivoting over even kites (ending facing down). Evens all move one place to left by pivoting under odd kites (ending facing up). Repeat sequence, so that the two odd kites are now on the right side of the row and the evens are on the left.

All 180 turn on spot. Unwind above two moves to arrive back at starting grid but with odds now facing down and even facing up.

You could then continue the move by going the other way.



* so called because of out former prime minister's way with words ;)

David, I did not miss yours. It is third in the pipeline, which means following the thread. It looks quite interesting.

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 10:02 AM

Fine, now I must work on the basics for a while so I can continue on.
You will notice in the first animation that the grid was shrinking and enlarging. I'll cure that now.


I had noticed the shrinking/enlarging but in the scheme of things did not think that it mattered.

Equally, at this stage the face up/down/left/right options for the switch from regular grid to diamond matter further down the road. We have not attempted this transition previously so we may need a bit of flexibility on the day <grins>

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 10:24 AM

I had noticed the shrinking/enlarging but in the scheme of things did not think that it mattered.

Equally, at this stage the face up/down/left/right options for the switch from regular grid to diamond matter further down the road. We have not attempted this transition previously so we may need a bit of flexibility on the day <grins>

Felix

I noticed that when I have the REVs facing right or left, that there is not enough separation to do a thread. I will start the grid out with a bit more separation between each REV, say about 1-1/2 widths of a REV.

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 10:50 AM

I noticed that when I have the REVs facing right or left, that there is not enough separation to do a thread. I will start the grid out with a bit more separation between each REV, say about 1-1/2 widths of a REV.


Ha! I think that we had figured that the minimum grid was 1.5 kite widths apart. At this stage we should probably allow a little bit extra for 'pilot comfort'. <grins>

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 11:02 AM

Ha! I think that we had figured that the minimum grid was 1.5 kite widths apart. At this stage we should probably allow a little bit extra for 'pilot comfort'. <grins>

Felix

For animated drawing purposes, I think I would be fine with 1.5 widths between tips of two REVs.
If I allowed for the pilot comfort zone, then I would not have enough stage(real estate) left for moving around very much.

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 11:20 AM

<snip>
If I allowed for the pilot comfort zone, then I would not have enough stage(real estate) left for moving around very much.


Hmm... Just how much space did you envisage <grins>

'comfort zone'???

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 11:36 AM

It's looking like a REV width plus 10% will do fine in the animated drawings.
Of course in real life, on the field, it will increase a lot.

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 11:44 AM

It's looking like a REV width plus 10% will do fine in the animated drawings.
Of course in real life, on the field, it will increase a lot.


On the field today we were flying with minus 10% and dealing with the collisions. It was all quite gentle, no lives were lost.

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 06:40 PM

Okay, attached is the Diamond Thread or what ever it may be called.
Click on the image to see the animation.
diamond16_v05h.gif

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 08:20 PM

Wait for it to cycle through the second time. As it is loading onto your computer it may be a bit stop-and-go. The second time through, it is much smoother. (That's just the nature of large animated GIFs.)

Edited by --Pete, 31 October 2010 - 08:20 PM.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 03:29 AM

.....Square Dance Figures

Some tasty dance moves in there alright .....dare say a lot inspiration to be garnered from those animations. Great find.

And John, great work on the 'diamond thread' animation too.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 06:23 AM

Okay, attached is the Diamond Thread or what ever it may be called.
Click on the image to see the animation.
<snip>


John,

Thanks for that! It looks great.

The other variation I had wanted to introduce was for the kites in the initial square to take the 'diagonal' alignment and then thread from there. I'm wondering if I have understood your '90 degree weave' in this context?

Would you be up for animating the parallel 90 degree turn 'infinity'?

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 10:19 AM

I'm enjoying watching this develop. :)

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 11:20 AM

I'm enjoying watching this develop.


Did you see the square dance figures via the link?

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 12:57 PM

Okay, I pleased to hear the positive feed backs on the Diamond Thread.
Now, I am going to try to animate what David described and then I will get back to variations of the Diamond thread.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 01:34 PM

I think the Decs' "bigot"* move would work well in a grid.

Counting from the left start with 4 rows of odds facing up, evens facing down. Odds all move one place to right by pivoting over even kites (ending facing down). Evens all move one place to left by pivoting under odd kites (ending facing up). Repeat sequence, so that the two odd kites are now on the right side of the row and the evens are on the left.

All 180 turn on spot. Unwind above two moves to arrive back at starting grid but with odds now facing down and even facing up.

You could then continue the move by going the other way.



* so called because of out former prime minister's way with words ;)


David,
Could you try explaining this again?
How many kites are involved? 16?

John

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 02:43 PM

Hi John
Yes the move starts with the 4 by 4 grid.

In each row (and numbering from the left) odds turn to face up, evens face down. The odd kite then pivots to the right and over the even kite to take it's place, ending up facing down. The even kite has pivoted left and under to where the odd kite started.

Repeat sequence, so that the two odd kites are now on the right side of the row and the evens are on the left.

All 180 turn on spot. Unwind above two moves to arrive back at starting grid but with odds now facing down and even facing up.

hope this is clearer!

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 02:48 PM

Hi John
Yes the move starts with the 4 by 4 grid.

In each row (and numbering from the left) odds turn to face up, evens face down. The odd kite then pivots to the right and over the even kite to take it's place, ending up facing down. The even kite has pivoted left and under to where the odd kite started.

Repeat sequence, so that the two odd kites are now on the right side of the row and the evens are on the left.

All 180 turn on spot. Unwind above two moves to arrive back at starting grid but with odds now facing down and even facing up.

hope this is clearer!

David, You wouldn't by chance be referring to columns, instead of rows?

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 03:00 PM

David, You wouldn't by chance be referring to columns, instead of rows?

If it is row then it looks some what like the felix(benefit) horizontally by row. Or?

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