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#281 Felix Mottram

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 02:21 AM

What I am thinking is back when you launch and how you would get to the dual horizontal lines.
Would you be launching from a grid formation on the ground or as a lined up, or both? Then form one of the basics.
Or would it be a random launch, get use to things and then form one of the basics and work from there.


Arc up to grid is a possibility with 16. I described a parallel alternate facing ladder-up as well. What should be avoided, in my view, is the random launch although it may have a place in the practical experience <grins>

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 10:22 PM

Felix,

I have updated section 7-Ball with your ideas.
As you can see, this is now evolving into elements only.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 11:48 PM

Felix,

I have updated section 7-Ball with your ideas.
As you can see, this is now evolving into elements only.


Thanks John,

In thinking about 'designing a routine' it is the elements that will be linked together.

Felix

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 01:39 PM

Just in case anyone needs a reminder here is the link to the first super 16 flight.



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Posted 03 December 2010 - 08:23 AM

Thanks John,

In thinking about 'designing a routine' it is the elements that will be linked together.

Felix

Three more elements have now been added in the section 7-Ball. More later today as time permits.
http://gyraphicdesign.com/Super16

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 08:56 AM

Three more elements have now been added in the section 7-Ball. More later today as time permits.
http://gyraphicdesign.com/Super16


Thanks John for all your efforts.

Please see the rough sketch attached. I'm thinking of taking apart the square as well but mindful of the appropriate groupings. How about the four kites at each corner rotate out around the corner point to four diagonal lines. I wonder if it would be possible to do four 'pinwheels' at that point?

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 09:14 AM

No problem with this one, at least for the animation.
I can do the big pin wheel. From the big pinwheel I could create 4 mini pin wheels pivoting around the center of each group of four.
From the two horizontal lines I could create a different version of 4 mini pinwheels.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 09:18 AM

No problem with this one, at least for the animation.
I can do the big pin wheel. From the big pinwheel I could create 4 mini pin wheels pivoting around the center of each group of four.
From the two horizontal lines I could create a different version of 4 mini pinwheels.


Ah ha! And from the 4 mini pinwheels how about a transition to diamonds or squares. Again the key thing will to be identify the appropriate groupings.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 09:35 AM

Ah ha! And from the 4 mini pinwheels how about a transition to diamonds or squares. Again the key thing will to be identify the appropriate groupings.

Felix

I like it!!!!

I have now entered your ideas into my table of shapes and moves.
Next what I have on my agenda will be to create all the static shapes which will match to the table I am creating.
From these shapes I will list what is reasonable to transit/morph to and return. It is starting to get quite large.
Then I will go back to the animations.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 11:49 AM

I like it!!!!

I have now entered your ideas into my table of shapes and moves.
<snip>


Starting from the tight square moving to the diamond with the axis being the corners of the original square offers the possibility of repeating the transition round the tips of the diamond back to an expanded square and thereafter a further expanded diamond. This would be a stepped burst with clearly recognisable steps. Doing a 180 at the outer point and stepping back in could be interesting. <grins>

Felix

Edit Image added...

Edit Just think about doing something similar with concentric rings in the mega-team <grins>

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 09:50 AM

I like it!!!!

I have now entered your ideas into my table of shapes and moves.
<snip>


Here is a bit of a challenge.

The single kite chooses a route through the grid. The simple way back home is to follow the same route back but it would, I think, also be possible to split the kites as drawn to allow a straight line back to the starting position for the meandering kite! <grins>

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 10:30 AM

Here is a bit of a challenge.

The single kite chooses a route through the grid. The simple way back home is to follow the same route back but it would, I think, also be possible to split the kites as drawn to allow a straight line back to the starting position for the meandering kite! <grins>

Felix

All you need to do is to get each one to move over individually in a similar fashion.
1. Col 4 Row 3
2. Col 4 Row 2
3. Col 4 Row 4
4. Col 4 Row 1
5-8. Col 3
9-12. Col. 2
13-16. Col. 1
Then hope you don't have any tangles.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 06:32 AM

All you need to do is to get each one to move over individually in a similar fashion.
<snip>
Then hope you don't have any tangles.


Of course, it is not too complicated really. How about getting the right or left hand side column to weave in parallel through the other kites which then split to allow a direct return?

Edit... Better still, would it be possible to do a 'parallel benefit'...?

Felix

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Edit... Another image added

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 09:55 AM

I think it will be a few weeks before I get these drawings of the last week.

At present I am changing the Web Site "again".
First comes the Basic Shape Categories.
I am planning the next level from each will be the shapes related to that category.
Then the next level should be the maneuvers(transits) between the various shapes.
Hopefully the next category will be connecting those maneuvers in a way that routine can be created, displayed and possibly downloaded.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 10:37 AM

I think it will be a few weeks before I get these drawings of the last week.
<snip>


There really is no rush. Sometimes ideas need a bit of space to evolve.

I think that the way that your site is developing is helping to focus attention on the requirements of developing a Super Sixteen routine <grins>

Felix

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 11:01 AM

The first stage of "A - Ball" will be there very shortly.

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 05:39 PM

The first stage of "A - Ball" will be there very shortly.

Felix,

Parts:
B - Horizontal Lines
C - 4 Columns
D - 4 Blocks
E - Squares
have been added.

Could you look at the text for each figure and suggest better fitting text?
I will be adding some more parts, probably not all, in the next hours.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 11:37 AM

Felix,

Parts:
B - Horizontal Lines
C - 4 Columns
D - 4 Blocks
E - Squares
have been added.

Could you look at the text for each figure and suggest better fitting text?
I will be adding some more parts, probably not all, in the next hours.


John,

Looks fine to me but maybe Square should be singular for the four per side one? (as opposed to 4 Squares)

Oh!! and Horizontal Line (16 Kites) <grins>

Felix

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 11:42 AM

John,

Looks fine to me but maybe Square should be singular for the four per side one? (as opposed to 4 Squares)

Oh!! and Horizontal Line (16 Kites) <grins>

Felix

What I meant was the descriptor text right of each figure such as figure CB.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 11:58 AM

What I meant was the descriptor text right of each figure such as figure CB.


Ah Ha! Another click would have revealed that so yes, it all appears to make sense.

I am getting some 'script' warnings from the incomplete links.

Felix




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