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#201 RevWizard

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 10:00 AM

Yes...

I have not got a better shorthand at this stage. <grins>

I'll leave it to the reader to determine which direction the leading edge may be travelling!

Felix

short shorthand?

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 11:59 AM

It hasn't stopped raining, so I have progressed a bit further.

A draft version of the ZigZag Horizontal setup is now available at: http://gyraphicdesign.com/Super16
The idea here is that this would be the setup stage for various other maneuvers derived from the zigzag horizontal.

A shorter and wider screen version of the ZigZag Horizontal setup is now available at: http://gyraphicdesign.com/Super16
This to me appears closer to real life conditions.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 06:47 PM

The Show Goes On!

From the Horizontal ZigZag I have added the first maneuver to start from the Horizontal ZigZag.
This one being Horizontal Diamonds. It is actually Horizontal Diamonds that morph to Vertical diamonds and back.

As usual you can view them at: http://gyraphicdesign.com/Super16

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 11:00 AM

The Show Goes On!

From the Horizontal ZigZag I have added the first maneuver to start from the Horizontal ZigZag.
This one being Horizontal Diamonds. It is actually Horizontal Diamonds that morph to Vertical diamonds and back.

As usual you can view them at: http://gyraphicdesign.com/Super16


Hi John,
That is exactly as I had imagined it in my earlier post. You have managed it without me having to sketch it out.

I think that morphing shapes with a sixteen grid is probably the best method to start out.

I think that many of my ideas for square dance figures are going to be a little too difficult for sixteen. Morphing and creating kaleidoscope patterns is going to allow more safe escape routes rather than having sixteen sets of lines all involved in a large wrap.
I still keep thinking of what might work. I really need to get some practice in and improve my skills so that I get a better understanding of what is feasible. Watching Felix and Co. making it all look very easy does not help to restrain my ideas.

I love your animations, thanks for your hard work.

Cheers
Stephen

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 11:33 AM

Hi John,
That is exactly as I had imagined it in my earlier post. You have managed it without me having to sketch it out.

I think that morphing shapes with a sixteen grid is probably the best method to start out.

I think that many of my ideas for square dance figures are going to be a little too difficult for sixteen. Morphing and creating kaleidoscope patterns is going to allow more safe escape routes rather than having sixteen sets of lines all involved in a large wrap.
I still keep thinking of what might work. I really need to get some practice in and improve my skills so that I get a better understanding of what is feasible. Watching Felix and Co. making it all look very easy does not help to restrain my ideas.

I love your animations, thanks for your hard work.

Cheers
Stephen

It was not intentional as I had not got around to trying to interpret what you had written.
I have many of my ideas noted but not detailed.
More animations are coming today and even a bit of organization is starting to come about.

As far as Square Dancing goes, I don't have a clue in that area other then it does not require lines.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 11:37 AM

Hi John,
That is exactly as I had imagined it in my earlier post. You have managed it without me having to sketch it out.

I think that morphing shapes with a sixteen grid is probably the best method to start out.

<snip>

Cheers
Stephen


OK, talking of morphing, what does 'the panel' think would be the best way to move to a 'four kites per leg pin wheel' starting from the 4x4 grid?

\............/
..\......../
....\..../
......\/
....../\
...../...\
..../......\
.../.........\

(Roughly speaking <grins>)

Felix

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 11:57 AM

OK, talking of morphing, what does 'the panel' think would be the best way to move to a 'four kites per leg pin wheel' starting from the 4x4 grid?

\............/
..\......../
....\..../
......\/
....../\
...../...\
..../......\
.../.........\

(Roughly speaking <grins>)

Felix

I have already thought about that one and made notes.
I would morph to a large diamond. Then I would move one leg of each side to the center in a radar fashion.
This meaning one end of the diamond side would stay stationary with the other end pivoting around it to the center.
Sorry, I have not animated it yet but almost did it yesterday. But then I gave the priority to your box diamonds.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 12:09 PM

Right now I have enough elements that I will start organizing this all a bit.

This is the first element, surely there will be more:
1. Ground to ZigZag position (done)

1.1 ZigZag to four Horizontal Diamonds (done)
1.1.1 Four Horizontal Diamonds to 3 then 2 then 1 diamond and return to 4 (done)
1.1.2 Four Horizontal Diamonds to one large diamond (planned for Felix)
1.1.2.1 Large Diamond to Pinwheel (planned for Felix)

1.2 ZigZag to Box Diamonds (ready not published)
1.2.1 Box Diamonds to Gears (ready not published)

Each element is a Flash movie. These element can be linked together into a single Flash movie.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 12:10 PM

OK, talking of morphing, what does 'the panel' think would be the best way to move to a 'four kites per leg pin wheel' starting from the 4x4 grid?

\............/
..\......../
....\..../
......\/
....../\
...../...\
..../......\
.../.........\

(Roughly speaking <grins>)

Felix


Hi Felix,
The easiest way is to start with John's vertical diamonds in hi octal diamonds but instead of opening out the centre of the two diamond formation to open out the top and bottom instead.


.........../\.............| |............\....../
........../..\............/..\............\..../
......... \../............\../.............\../
...........\/......to.....\/.....to.......\/
.........../\............../\.............../\
........../..\............/..\............./..\
......... \../............\../............/....\
...........\/.............|..|.........../......\


I hate ascii graphics and now have even more respect for what John is doing.

Is the next step to pinwheel 90 degrees (star promenade 1/4 or Counter rotate 1/4) and then morph back into twin horizontal diamonds and then on to zig-zags?

Cheers
Stephen

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 12:15 PM

Hi Felix,
The easiest way is to start with John's vertical diamonds in hi octal diamonds but instead of opening out the centre of the two diamond formation to open out the top and bottom instead.

snip ...

Cheers
Stephen

That is another very nice way to do it. I'll put it on my list.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 12:37 PM

Hi Felix,
The easiest way is to start with John's vertical diamonds in hi octal diamonds but instead of opening out the centre of the two diamond formation to open out the top and bottom instead.


<snip>


I hate ascii graphics and now have even more respect for what John is doing.

Is the next step to pinwheel 90 degrees (star promenade 1/4 or Counter rotate 1/4) and then morph back into twin horizontal diamonds and then on to zig-zags?

Cheers
Stephen


Hi Stephen,

I was overlooking the potential significance of the steps already described up to the 'octal diamonds'. I was wondering about a more direct morph from the 4x4 grid to the pinwheeel.

The next step would be 90 degrees and so on. Again, the idea of morphing rather than simply reversing is interesting.

Felix

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 01:08 PM

Hi Stephen,

I was overlooking the potential significance of the steps already described up to the 'octal diamonds'. I was wondering about a more direct morph from the 4x4 grid to the pinwheeel.

The next step would be 90 degrees and so on. Again, the idea of morphing rather than simply reversing is interesting.

Felix

With my idea of going from the diamond would mean a reverse flight of 45 degrees pivoting towards the center, around the outer kites outer tip.
With Stephen's idea the outer to kites of the diamond would fly forward pivoting around the inner tip of the inner of those two outer kites and then then it would require a 180 degree rotate of all kites in one leg of the X, meaning both top and bottom of that leg.
Another, maybe more elaborate move would be taking the diamond and rotating on the outer kites outer tip 315 degrees. when the tips meet in the center go into the pinwheel spin to take that wrap of lines out. However there might be insufficient room at top and bottom of the wind window to perform this.
I will animate all three after i have published work already completed today and the organization is worked over.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 01:29 PM

With my idea of going from the diamond would mean a reverse flight of 45 degrees pivoting towards the center, around the outer kites outer tip.
<snip>


I was thinking of a forward rotation which just triggered another idea which would involved each group of four adopting a forward facing position around the 16 grid:-

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Felix

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 01:53 PM

I was thinking of a forward rotation which just triggered another idea which would involved each group of four adopting a forward facing position around the 16 grid:-

||--
||--
--||
--||

Felix

I am not quite with you there. In reference to the compass which way are they facing?
Upper group 270?
Bottom group 90?
or ?
I am also presuming you are only showing two of four groups of kites. Or am I wrong there?

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 05:31 PM

The Super16 Web Site has now been reworked.
I will be adding in the latest maneuvers from yesterday evening shorty.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 06:00 PM

I AM SO LOVING THIS THREAD AND ALL ITS POSSIBILITIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 22 November 2010 - 06:23 PM

I AM SO LOVING THIS THREAD AND ALL ITS POSSIBILITIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Down in the lower right corner there is a little green button that says "Vote this post up" or something like that..

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 10:58 PM

I am not quite with you there. In reference to the compass which way are they facing?
Upper group 270?
Bottom group 90?
or ?
I am also presuming you are only showing two of four groups of kites. Or am I wrong there?


Top left 4 facing right, top right 4 facing down, bottom right 4 facing left, bottom left 4 facing up...

Felix

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 11:18 PM

I'm crashing now. I'll be back on it 6 or 7 hours.
Pls check out the web site change.

John

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 01:39 AM

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