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#61 monkey

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 07:52 AM

I'd agree with Felix, 12x12 would be unmanageable, the flyers at the top would have no air and the ones at the bottom would be hugging the ground pretty tightly.

Still hoping to make it to Berck this year regardless of whether a 100 rev fly can be pulled off, it's an excellent chance for an iQuad 5 year birthday party on the exact beach John and I (some would say foolishly!) figured maybe we could put together a quad team in the Northwest :D
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Posted 19 January 2011 - 10:03 AM

I think people are getting stuck on the maths here of size of grid.
That isn't the problem of going over 9 high on a grid.
120ft and the width of the kite in a vertical hover is the problem.
In a perfect location all kites could hover horizontally to fit but it would limit what you can do.
The wind will dropout on you. At that point all kites must be vertical to stay in the air.
The only way of making a 12 x12 work, 11x 11 or to be truthful a 10x10 cleanly is to have longer line lengths after the 8th row.
Even with clean winds the top kites end up at a high angle of attack. By extending the 8th/9th row line lengths the top kites would be at a natural 3/4 window instead of over head.

Also each maneuver gradually creeps the whole pack up. Especially if making up turns. So the number isn't the problem. The line length and keeping a cap on the upward creep is your problem.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 11:32 AM

Still hoping to make it to Berck this year :D


Hope to meet you all at the 25th anniversary of the Berck Kite Festival.....would be great to fly together again !

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 11:33 AM

I'd agree with Felix, 12x12 would be unmanageable, the flyers at the top would have no air and the ones at the bottom would be hugging the ground pretty tightly.
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Also each maneuver gradually creeps the whole pack up. Especially if making up turns. So the number isn't the problem. The line length and keeping a cap on the upward creep is your problem.


When The Decs started flying eight we went to 125ft line sets. That felt 'about right'. It might be 'interesting' to try ten fliers on, say, 140ft lines to see how much space that opened up. I would be reluctant to try and use different line lengths within the grid.

The altitude creep is definitely the issue to be tackled on the field.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 12:10 PM

Bring a bag full of linesets Felix !!!!...Posted Image

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 01:27 PM

Bring a bag full of linesets Felix !!!!...Posted Image


Sorry, but I do not have the resources...

We may have to refer to our sponsors!

Anyone?

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 02:01 PM

When The Decs started flying eight we went to 125ft line sets. That felt 'about right'. It might be 'interesting' to try ten fliers on, say, 140ft lines to see how much space that opened up. I would be reluctant to try and use different line lengths within the grid.

The altitude creep is definitely the issue to be tackled on the field.

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Keith & I were at the front side by side in a grid, we got very good at keeping down. Just need the ones above to realise and stay low. Put me and Keith at the front of a grid and you have a start !





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Posted 20 January 2011 - 01:48 PM

Keith & I were at the front side by side in a grid, we got very good at keeping down. Just need the ones above to realise and stay low. Put me and Keith at the front of a grid and you have a start !
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The more aware the fliers are of the situation, the better. Experience helps, to say the least. We'll avoid the 'practice' word. "Mega Team fliers just do it".

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 10:59 PM

I have no experience of team, and have only watched grids.

It seems a problem is having wind for the top fliers, while letting the bottom fliers get off the ground.

My question would be, does the grid HAVE to be square?

I know there are space constraints, and having the grid spread will stop some patterns being flown.

However could it not be for instance, 5 deep by 10 long? This would allow the normal vertical and horizontal in line type formations. You could also split the main group up into 5 groups of 20 for some more intricate formations. (By split up I dont actually mean walk away from each other)

Sorry if this is a stupid unworkable suggestion, however the folks closest to a problem often miss seeing things. Like the little Girl watching a truck getting rescued from under a bridge, asking why dont the let the tyres down. :)

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 12:26 AM

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My question would be, does the grid HAVE to be square?
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The initial advantage of a square is that 'concentric' circles are very easy to form...

Once fliers 'get the grid' rectangles are fine, but having said that one of the first grids at Portsmouth in 2008 worked perfectly well at 6 x 8 (missing one flier so 47 <grins>).

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Posted 23 January 2011 - 06:53 AM

<snip>

Still hoping to make it to Berck this year regardless of whether a 100 rev fly can be pulled off, it's an excellent chance for an iQuad 5 year birthday party on the exact beach John and I (some would say foolishly!) figured maybe we could put together a quad team in the Northwest


The last couple of years Berck has been a 'Revolution Festival' in practice given the number of teams/fliers in attendance. Even if the 100 rev fly does not happen, as looks likely, it would be good if provision could be made for teams who have not attended previously. I will certainly be prepared to ask
Gérard to make facilities available if at all possible.

'Foolishly'? Exactly how many years procrastination was that? <grins>

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 11:33 AM

Gérard has sent me a 'reminder' that the deadline for his Project 100 is the end of the month.

He also asked for the size of field that would be needed. Can someone tell me what size the Long Beach field was? (Not that I think that it will actually happen at Berck now, of course)

Thanks

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 02:08 PM

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For the project 100 give me the minimum dimensions for the field ( in meters please )
Thank you
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Dear Gérard,

I am working on the logistics for the team and will get back to you as soon as is possible.

In respect of Project 100 the field in Long Beach where we had 64 fliers was about 142m Square. I think that for 100 fliers 189m square would work but I have to say that it does not look like there is any possibility of 100 fliers committing to the Berck event in April 2011. Maybe we could set about planning an event for 2012?

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 02:29 PM

Lets go for the 64+ !!!!

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 01:53 PM

Lets go for the 64+ !!!!


The thing is that Gérard had said that he could not proceed unless 100 fliers were available. At this stage that is the case, we do not have 100 fliers. However Gérard has asked for the size of the field! We may need to be prepared to demonstrate how we could occupy the field in an organised event in 2012...

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 11:24 PM

If a large field was made available exclusively to Rev fliers I am sure you could put on suitable entertainment during the Day.

Rev Games and such.

It may be that the main arena will be made bigger to allow for the 100 attempt though.

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 05:43 AM

If a large field was made available exclusively to Rev fliers I am sure you could put on suitable entertainment during the Day.

Rev Games and such.

It may be that the main arena will be made bigger to allow for the 100 attempt though.


Message posted at the other place:-


"OK Gérard has asked for a decision. From a cursory glance at responses here I think that we would be lucky to have 64. If anyone thinks otherwise please let me know soonest. Thanks Felix"


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Posted 29 January 2011 - 02:36 AM

We may need to be prepared to demonstrate how we could occupy the field in an organised event in 2012...

Felix



That depends... do you think we can persuade him to install a giant dinosaur in the field? :lol: Entertainment guaranteed!

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 03:18 AM

That depends... do you think we can persuade him to install a giant dinosaur in the field? Entertainment guaranteed!


I think that the Rev Field at Portsmouth 2010 worked very well given that it was not very large. The dinosaur got burnt down later, as I understand it.

A large structure was built at Knokke one year!

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 05:54 AM

I think that the Rev Field at Portsmouth 2010 worked very well given that it was not very large. The dinosaur got burnt down later, as I understand it.

A large structure was built at Knokke one year!

Felix


The Dinosaur was found to have died of natural causes!!! The rain leaked in and shorted out the electric lighting system that caused the fire.

2013 will be the silver jubilee for Revolution. Perhaps there is enough time to get something organised for then, and even Portsmouth 2013 - providing the council keeps the funding going.
I might even be good enough to participate by then. Sadly there is no news on the return of the Dinosaur as yet.

Cheers
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