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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:46 AM

HAHAHAHA!!! You'll cave in soon enough and figure out how to get one!!! :kid_devlish:

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 01:16 AM

My lovely full sail b-series is now in the air again, as replacement spars has arrived. Nice!

Regarding:

I guess a vented will find its way to the kite bag sooner or later Posted Image


Now when Autumn winds has arrived, and I have been really hooked on the Rev experience: what Vented version would you recommend?

I am not a fan of high winds, and I can wait some days to fly when winds are strong. But on the other hand I would like to expand the comfortable flying wind range. And that is the trade of I guess: Should I go for a mid vent (smaller expansion, but maybe better flying experience) or a full vent (bigger expansion, but maybe less good flying experience comp. to the mid vent)?

I have seen a good statement on these forums, I can't find right now, saying something like "the mid vent is a nice specialist kite, mainly needed for team flyers, where solo flyers will do just fine with a full sail and a full vent". Do you agree on this?

Or do you find the mid vent to be "enough vented" for most higher winds except the very high ones, and then giving you a better vented flying experience in most higer winds conditions? I hope I make sensePosted Image

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 01:07 PM

Personally, I think you're right, the midvent is nice, but I'd go with a full vent first!! With the frames that you get and have got, you can fly the two in almost any wind conditions!! :kid_content: The full vent has a 4 wrap and you have a 3 wrap already,you could sub in a race frame (for a few extra dollars) and it will cover just about any winds!! That would give you a 2,3,4,and race frames to choose from! Have fun deciding, I'm sure others have their thoughts! :)

Edited by stroke victim, 03 October 2010 - 01:10 PM.

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 01:23 PM

I have seen a good statement on these forums, I can't find right now, saying something like "the mid vent is a nice specialist kite, mainly needed for team flyers, where solo flyers will do just fine with a full sail and a full vent". Do you agree on this?


I do not agree with that at all. I fly inland (solo) and the midvent more often than not it my kite of choice! I'm hardly a specialist! The Midvent is perfect for the bumpy / swirly winds I get on my home turf. Sometimes all you need is a little venting. When I started out I only had a full sail and a full vent. I soon found out that unless the winds were 15-25mph, the full vent was too much venting and I had trouble keeping it in the air. The Midvent is kind of the best of both worlds in my opinion.



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Posted 04 October 2010 - 09:08 AM

15-20mph needed to fly a full vent!!?? Posted Image You can put in a 2 wrap and get that thing flying in less than 10mph!! I felt that a full and a vent would give someone max flexibility, full in light to med wind, vented in heavier!! No disrepect intended to those that have a midvent in any way!! If I could, I'd have one too!!! :)

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 10:45 AM

Personally, I think you're right, the midvent is nice, but I'd go with a full vent first!! With the frames that you get and have got, you can fly the two in almost any wind conditions!! Posted Image The full vent has a 4 wrap and you have a 3 wrap already,you could sub in a race frame (for a few extra dollars) and it will cover just about any winds!! That would give you a 2,3,4,and race frames to choose from! Have fun deciding, I'm sure others have their thoughts! Posted Image


Thanks! What would you consider the full vents "lower limit fun wind" (not possible flying, but fun flying)? I understand the race frame is quite expensive; how does it perform better than the 2 wrap I have already?

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 10:50 AM

I do not agree with that at all. I fly inland (solo) and the midvent more often than not it my kite of choice! I'm hardly a specialist! The Midvent is perfect for the bumpy / swirly winds I get on my home turf. Sometimes all you need is a little venting. When I started out I only had a full sail and a full vent. I soon found out that unless the winds were 15-25mph, the full vent was too much venting and I had trouble keeping it in the air. The Midvent is kind of the best of both worlds in my opinion.




Thanks, I have a feeling the mid vent has a lot of fans Posted Image But how much wind can the mid vent handle, and still be fun to fly in your opinion? Is 18-20 mph a stretch you think?

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 11:06 AM

Sorry, don't have a midvent to compare to, but with a 4 wrap LE you can handle any wind you are comfortable with!! A full vent with 4 wrap can handle some very strong winds!! :lol: The race frame is not too expensive, just gives you more options!! I've flown my full vent down to 5-6mph, thought about changing to a different kite, but it will easily handle 10mph! Your full sail can go to 10-15 mph, so between the 2, you're covered!!:) Personally, I think about changing around the 10mph mark!! I've flown my full vent around others that have a midvent, it is doable!! :)

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 11:15 AM

The Midvent is probably the most specialized kite Rev produces. It is true that you can usually get away with the standard and the full vent for most all conditions, especially when you get into the many different types of frames that are available.

For basic wind ranges and the "Fun" factor:
The Standard with the 2 and 3 wrap frames can fly very nicely in winds from around 3-4 mph all the way up to 12-15 mph and still have excellent control and ease of flying. Yes you can get it down to the 1-2 mph (with the 2 wraps) or up to the 18-20 mph (with the 4 wraps or doubled) but that starts to take a lot of work and in my opinion is not that fun.

The Vented with the 3 and 4 wrap frames can fly from around 12-15 mph all the way up to 25-28 mph with very little work and still have excellent control. The same thing applies, you can drop it down to that 8-10 mph range with the 2 wraps or even get it up into winds over 30 mph with the leading edge doubled up - but again, this is where the fun really starts to deteriorate quickly.

As you can see, the Standard and the Vented covers the entire wind range very nicely and does so while still keeping that "Fun" factor in tact. So why make a mid vent model???

Well, the Mid Vent is specifically designed for pilots who's winds on the strongest days usually top out around 15 mph and hardly ever see days where the winds are over that but the winds can be quite consistently over that 8-10 mph mark. Even though the Standard does fly nicely up to that 15 mph range and the full vent can fly good down to 12 mph, the Mid Vent model makes those particular winds of 8-15 mph absolutely wonderful to fly in. This is what the Mid Vent is made for, for pilots who really don't need the full vent sail but do have winds that make a standard Rev a bit to fast and snappy. Also, both of the Vented models seem to smooth out any gusty conditions very nicely making bumpy winds much more fun to fly in.

The problem arises as soon as the kite is available and once you get the chance to fly it....you want it and it is awesome if you have one of each in your bag. :)

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 03:16 PM

Couldn't explain it any better, Kent! :) Aerochic - no disrespect intended, only my opinion based on my own limited knowledge!! :huh: Don't have a midvent, probably would love it, if I did!!:)

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 06:49 AM

... I understand the race frame is quite expensive; how does it perform better than the 2 wrap I have already?
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If you already have 2 & 3 wraps, I think the Race frame is like a mid-vent. It's nice but not necessary.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 07:19 AM

Sorry, don't have a midvent to compare to, but with a 4 wrap LE you can handle any wind you are comfortable with!! A full vent with 4 wrap can handle some very strong winds!! Posted Image The race frame is not too expensive, just gives you more options!! I've flown my full vent down to 5-6mph, thought about changing to a different kite, but it will easily handle 10mph! Your full sail can go to 10-15 mph, so between the 2, you're covered!!Posted Image Personally, I think about changing around the 10mph mark!! I've flown my full vent around others that have a midvent, it is doable!! Posted Image


Thanks for explaining - I read you as the lower limit of "fun wind" for the full vent is around give and take 10mph.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 07:27 AM

The Midvent is probably the most specialized kite Rev produces. It is true that you can usually get away with the standard and the full vent for most all conditions, especially when you get into the many different types of frames that are available.

For basic wind ranges and the "Fun" factor:
The Standard with the 2 and 3 wrap frames can fly very nicely in winds from around 3-4 mph all the way up to 12-15 mph and still have excellent control and ease of flying. Yes you can get it down to the 1-2 mph (with the 2 wraps) or up to the 18-20 mph (with the 4 wraps or doubled) but that starts to take a lot of work and in my opinion is not that fun.

The Vented with the 3 and 4 wrap frames can fly from around 12-15 mph all the way up to 25-28 mph with very little work and still have excellent control. The same thing applies, you can drop it down to that 8-10 mph range with the 2 wraps or even get it up into winds over 30 mph with the leading edge doubled up - but again, this is where the fun really starts to deteriorate quickly.

As you can see, the Standard and the Vented covers the entire wind range very nicely and does so while still keeping that "Fun" factor in tact. So why make a mid vent model???

Well, the Mid Vent is specifically designed for pilots who's winds on the strongest days usually top out around 15 mph and hardly ever see days where the winds are over that but the winds can be quite consistently over that 8-10 mph mark. Even though the Standard does fly nicely up to that 15 mph range and the full vent can fly good down to 12 mph, the Mid Vent model makes those particular winds of 8-15 mph absolutely wonderful to fly in. This is what the Mid Vent is made for, for pilots who really don't need the full vent sail but do have winds that make a standard Rev a bit to fast and snappy. Also, both of the Vented models seem to smooth out any gusty conditions very nicely making bumpy winds much more fun to fly in.

The problem arises as soon as the kite is available and once you get the chance to fly it....you want it and it is awesome if you have one of each in your bag. Posted Image



Thanks a lot Kent, for the detailed explanation. Very clear!

So given a budget, I should go for the full vent and add a mid vent for a later wishing list, right? Posted Image

I have 2 frame sets, one of 3 wraps and one of 2 wraps, and further a leading egde set of 4 wraps. What frame configuration, would you thin was wise to go for with a new full vent? Is it nice to have a full frame set of 3 wraps, because they are the ones use most, and you dont want to swap sets to much between kites? Or should I rather go for as many different types as possible, maybe even a set of race rods, in you opinion?

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 07:30 AM

If you already have 2 & 3 wraps, I think the Race frame is like a mid-vent. It's nice but not necessary.



Thanks Mike!

If you have comments on the rods to go for when adding a vent, pls. tell me. I understand most of the dealers are willing to swap rods if needed. Posted Image

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:23 AM

Couldn't explain it any better, Kent! :) Aerochic - no disrespect intended, only my opinion based on my own limited knowledge!! :huh: Don't have a midvent, probably would love it, if I did!!:)


None taken! We all have our personal preferences (and budgets!). Plus we don't all have exactly the same wind conditions either. People with far more experience than I have already elaborated.

Thanks! What would you consider the full vents "lower limit fun wind" (not possible flying, but fun flying)? I understand the race frame is quite expensive; how does it perform better than the 2 wrap I have already?


I fly my Midvent up to 15-18mph. That's where it starts to get uncomfortable to me and I'll switch to a full vent. When the wind is gusty, I'd rather use my full vent. I personally don't like to have too much stress on my sails or too much bending in my frames (unless they're meant to be that way).



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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:02 AM

Given a tighter budget, I would say yes, go for the full sail and the full vented models. That way you will cover the maximum amount of wind range - giving you the best chance to fly regardless of what mother nature blows your way. Mark the Mid Vent and the Zen down for future purchases depending on what you discover during your days flying your std and full vent. If you find that there are a lot of days when even the standard with two wraps just don't seem to cut it then look to add in a Zen. If you find days when you can't decide on the full vent or the standard cuz the winds are right in the middle, get the Mid Vent.

Or....

You could just get them all now and save yourself the hassle. :) Chances are you will end up with all of them eventually.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:03 AM

As far as frames, seeing as all frames are completely interchangeable. If you have the 2, 3 and 4 wrap already and find that you fly the 3 wrap the most. For your next kite I would recommend another 3 wrap (as a backup spare set) and the Race frame. This way you will have them all and can mix/match as you wish to find the perfect combination for your style of flying.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:19 AM

I fly my Midvent up to 15-18mph. That's where it starts to get uncomfortable to me and I'll switch to a full vent. When the wind is gusty, I'd rather use my full vent. I personally don't like to have too much stress on my sails or too much bending in my frames (unless they're meant to be that way).




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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:30 AM

Thanks!

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Given a tighter budget, I would say yes, go for the full sail and the full vented models. That way you will cover the maximum amount of wind range - giving you the best chance to fly regardless of what mother nature blows your way. Mark the Mid Vent and the Zen down for future purchases depending on what you discover during your days flying your std and full vent. If you find that there are a lot of days when even the standard with two wraps just don't seem to cut it then look to add in a Zen.

[/quote]I was surprised to be able to fly the std with 3 wraps in it at the beach at 3-5mph winds. The Zen must be a pure dream then ;-) [quote]

If you find days when you can't decide on the full vent or the standard cuz the winds are right in the middle, get the Mid Vent.
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You could just get them all now and save yourself the hassle. Posted Image Chances are you will end up with all of them eventually.
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As far as frames, seeing as all frames are completely interchangeable. If you have the 2, 3 and 4 wrap already and find that you fly the 3 wrap the most. For your next kite I would recommend another 3 wrap (as a backup spare set) and the Race frame. This way you will have them all and can mix/match as you wish to find the perfect combination for your style of flying.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 03:45 PM

Thanks Mike!

If you have comments on the rods to go for when adding a vent, pls. tell me. I understand most of the dealers are willing to swap rods if needed. Posted Image

If you already have 2, 3 & 4 wraps, buy the Vented with race rods if you can--it may only cost a little more. Then you'll have the full set of options.
Otherwise, I'd get a second set of 3 wraps. I know some good fliers that only fly on 3 wraps for the whole wind range unless the wind is really kickin'
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