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#21 Felix Mottram

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 12:20 PM

Gospel, pure gospel... 100% spot on.


JB,

Glad you agree on that! <grins>

However, I do not yet hear 'everyone else' chiming in here as well, and that was the logic for starting the topic.

I hope that we do get an indication of interested fliers in due course!

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 12:45 PM

If I'm right Felix, there probably won't be a lot of heat on this thread...

I'm positive this is a case of "if you build it, they will come", really positive.

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 12:58 PM

If I'm right Felix, there probably won't be a lot of heat on this thread...

I'm positive this is a case of "if you build it, they will come", really positive.


JB,

I'll allow you that and then suggest that an executive decision should be taken on that basis. Let's build it!

As I mentioned, up-thread, a mailing list of 'potential' participants would be a possible starting place.

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:07 PM

I would say that might be cart before the horse... Before opening the doors, I'd say a standard needs to be established and published somehow.

Not only a charter statement, but the basic guidelines by which it would operate.

Also, to gather up the folks who would best represent the world as acting panel members of said organization.

Once the head and torso are assembled, then we'd add arms and legs.

Make sense?

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:09 PM

Also, perhaps a dedicated section of this forum, hosting said discussions?

Set to so all can read, but most categories in the section can only be posted to by those "registered" and acknowledged by the panel.

In addition, have one "waiting room" section in the same area where anyone can post, challenge or question.

Last but not least, one section accessible only to the panel, for internal discussions.

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:10 PM

I'd like to see Stephen get in in these discussions as well, he's been strangely absent for a while now.

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:19 PM

Also, perhaps a dedicated section of this forum, hosting said discussions?

Set to so all can read, but most categories in the section can only be posted to by those "registered" and acknowledged by the panel.

In addition, have one "waiting room" section in the same area where anyone can post, challenge or question.

Last but not least, one section accessible only to the panel, for internal discussions.


JB,

Now you are talking gospel too!. This and the last post too. I love it... And yes Stephen is probably on holiday re. your following post.

Felix

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:22 PM

So... What would such a fine organization be called, officially?

International Revolution Team Registry = IRTR (it's bloody long and the acronym doesn't ring well)

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:26 PM

World Revolution Team Initiative = WRTI or "werty"

*that*cough*sucks*cough*

But you see where I'm going... It's not a guild, club, clique or syndicate.

It's a registry or initiative, imho, as I see it.

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:32 PM

So... What would such a fine organization be called, officially?

International Revolution Team Registry = IRTR (it's bloody long and the acronym doesn't ring well)


Revolution Team Fliers Mailinglist?

<grins>

Let's worry about that later...

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:36 PM

So... What would such a fine organization be called, officially?

International Revolution Team Registry = IRTR (it's bloody long and the acronym doesn't ring well)



If its an Acronym your after John what about RITER = Revolution International Team Enrolment Register.
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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:39 PM

A step in the right direction, for sure... A small trim down from that, somehow, perhaps.

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:41 PM

Hi fellas,Merry Christmas to ya.
Great idea Felix,good Topic.Much food for thought.

BRIAN...



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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:48 PM

A step in the right direction, for sure... A small trim down from that, somehow, perhaps.


Going back to the practical considerations, at 16 it is no big deal, at 36 things get to be serious, 64 we haven't seen yet.

One other issue I would return to is that all participants should be relaxed and that it should be a 'fun' event in which to participate. OK some adrenaline may be obligatory but that may be outside the control of the organisers.

Up at Ainsdale there was a range of capabilities which were largely accommodated. Those fliers who were 'stretched' know who they are...

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:49 PM

Another thought, I'd be somewhat opposed to prefacing the group's title with Revolution as it implies that this is a Revolution organization when it's not, this is an organization of fliers who use Rev style kites.

Also, a correction Felix... I did have *exactly* 64 fliers at WSIKF last August, although they weren't all in clean formation.

I expect to surpass 80 in 2010.

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 01:59 PM

Another thought, I'd be somewhat opposed to prefacing the group's title with Revolution as it implies that this is a Revolution organization when it's not, this is an organization of fliers who use Rev style kites.

Also, a correction Felix... I did have *exactly* 64 fliers at WSIKF last August, although they weren't all in clean formation.

I expect to surpass 80 in 2010.


'International Register of...' is where I started!

I am happy to be corrected on the count of 64 but You Know What I Mean. I think that this is precisely what we are discussing. <grins>

Please let us know which event we should focus on to get 20 additional fliers from around the world to attend. I trust that your 80 will be fully compliant. <grins>

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 02:08 PM

No, mine won't be compliant, simply because we're still building our ranks...

Frankly, North America doesn't have the advantage of having over a dozen qualified teams and countless more qualified pilots.

Add to that the fact we don't have as many events with large flier attendance, or nearly as much space at most of our events.

We're starting from the ground up, whereas you've got a decade or so head start on us (not counting the Decorators tenure of 20+). ;)

We'll get there, but it's still very organic here, we have to be a little more open and encouraging.

However, there will be a "filtered" set of attempts with only 'registered' pilots (maybe 50 or so), just to show what is possible.

==

As for how to get 20 more to show up... Open the floodgates, it's the only way at this point in time.

Not practical for sure, I damned near pulled my hair out herding those 64 cats at WSIKF, but it was a necessary step.

On the up side, roughly 45-50 of our fliers had radios, all on my channel, plus the announcer's microphone on me at times.

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 02:23 PM

No, mine won't be compliant, simply because we're still building our ranks...
Frankly, North America doesn't have the advantage of having over a dozen qualified teams and countless more qualified pilots.
Add to that the fact we don't have as many events with large flier attendance, or nearly as much space at most of our events.
We're starting from the ground up, whereas you've got a decade or so head start on us (not counting the Decorators tenure of 20+). ;)
We'll get there, but it's still very organic here, we have to be a little more open and encouraging.
However, there will be a "filtered" set of attempts with only 'registered' pilots (maybe 50 or so), just to show what is possible.
==
As for how to get 20 more to show up... Open the floodgates, it's the only way at this point in time.
Not practical for sure, I damned near pulled my hair out herding those 64 cats at WSIKF, but it was a necessary step.
On the up side, roughly 45-50 of our fliers had radios, all on my channel, plus the announcer's microphone on me at times.


JB,

Good informative post. The one thing that I was very concerned about was NOT to discourage fliers who may not be completely 'up to speed'.

The Decs have seen many changes in personnel over the 20 years and as a result I think that we may know a little bit about 'demanding a little bit extra' from a new flier.

The 'filtered' aspect is crucial for forward development.

The technology aspect is one for serious discussion anyway. Glad to know that it is possible in part.

Felix

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 02:24 PM

I'd also like to establish a consensus here...

As I see it (and I'm ready to be proven wrong), here are our primary proponents and principle players:

  • Mottram (Decorators in UK) - Extensive knowledge of team flying and the grid system.
  • Jacob Twyford (Decorators in UK) - Extensive knowledge of team flying and the grid system.
  • David Ellison (Decorators in UK) - Extensive knowledge of team flying and the grid system.
  • Hoath (Flying Squad in UK) - Extensive knowledge of team flying, significant experience leading and organizing mega flies (including grid), speaks English, French and Spanish.
  • Barresi (iQuad in USA) - Extensive knowledge of team flying, significant experience leading and organizing mega flies (including grid).
  • Lummas (Too Much Fun in USA) - Extensive knowledge of team flying, significant experience leading and organizing mega flies (including grid).
  • Ben (Flic in France) - Extensive knowledge of team flying, significant experience leading and organizing mega flies, speaks French and English.
  • Hosoya (Team Rising in Japan) - Typically the leader of all mega flies in Japan, but his English is very limited as well.
Who else is currently equipped and recognized for their ability to lead very large flies?

Also, I think aside from any personality judgments or bias from fliers at large, Hoath and I are acknowledged as the most diverse and fair mega fly leaders.

Debate, correction, comment, all welcome.

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 02:26 PM

FYI, I already have plans in place to help organize the grid a bit better at 2010 WSIKF...

Colored arm/wrist bands for each column, so they are "teams" unto themselves... Each band within a color numbered 1-8 to set the order.

"Blue column, to formation please."

"Blue leader, we're going to .... please explain to your squad."

Etc, etc, etc.

This will GREATLY speed up implementation on the field and cut down set up, as each colored squad will have their drills down already, in theory.

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