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#61 Kitelife

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 10:35 AM

So the goal is to get as many people flying Revs and having FUN as possible.
Skill levels and competitive fliers will come about in they're own time.

BAM! Right on the head...

Only a certain % of humans want to enter a competitive format, so out of 100, how many is that?

Totally rhetorical question.

Increase that figure to 2000, now you have a competitive class, naturally. ;)

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 10:43 AM

BAM! Right on the head...

Only a certain % of humans want to enter a competitive format, so out of 100, how many is that?

Totally rhetorical question.

Increase that figure to 2000, now you have a competitive class, naturally. ;)


So how many would want to collaborate?

We are asking a 'new question' now in the light of recent developments...

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 10:47 AM

For sake of discussion Felix, can you recap and clarify what you mean when you say "collaborate"?

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FYI, I've sent the link for this discussion to Russ Faulk, the Chair of our AKA's Sport Kite Committee.

Hopefully he'll share it with his associates in the AKA.

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#64 Felix Mottram

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 11:34 AM

For sake of discussion Felix, can you recap and clarify what you mean when you say "collaborate"?

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FYI, I've sent the link for this discussion to Russ Faulk, the Chair of our AKA's Sport Kite Committee.

Hopefully he'll share it with his associates in the AKA.


I cannot recap as it is not something I have related previously. However, lets take it forward by proposing a structure in which we can organise ourselves. The current teams do carry a little historical baggage which I think should be addressed. Some lead from the right, some from the left. That is not a big deal, lets agree to alternate. Default turns may be up or down, there are advantages both ways.

In collaboration it may be assumed that we would be playing to the lowest common denominator or accommodating the least able performer. I do think that there is a perceptual problem here in that the collective achievement can far outweigh the individual capabilities. I think that the spirit of the clinics that iQuad have operated demonstrate this and my suggestion would be for the fliers to embrace the concept.

Stephen Hoath did a fantastic job in pulling the fliers together at Portsmouth and Bristol. The structure that I envisage should make it easier and hopefully less stressful for any individual undertaking a leading role.

To recap, The Decorators gave up competitive flying one week and the next week won a competition at Scheveningen, Holland where we flew in the single line arena for the whole weekend.

All we need is for the fliers to own the hover..... <grins>

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 12:25 PM

So to clarify, you're talking about mega team exhibitions when you say "collaborate", is this right?

While I'm all for continuing this progression as we've done over the past 12 months, the meat of this topic relates to competition, how to improve (or streamline) it and make it more appealing to the general public, as well as those fliers who have dropped out for any of the reasons brought up earlier in this topic.

For team exhibition collaboration, if I understand you right, may I propose a new topic area for this?

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#66 Dean750

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 01:04 PM

So here's a thought on topic....
Precision is boring for the people not flying. It's all about the ballet and how it's presented and how the watchers percieve it. Right? kinda, maybe in a way?? LOL

So while Precision may be part of the compitition, does it have to be out front, or could that part take place on a side field while ballets are taking place on center stage? That way one class is flying the precision side while another class is flying their ballets. Makes the comp run quicker while really only throwing the best to watch at the general public.
I believe someone asked if comps could be created strictly for Rev's by Rev fliers that could somehow maybe tie into national and world championship comps. I think that might be a way to think about it. Or maybe a whole day devoted to just Rev compition. Make any sense or am I just thinking too hard? :P Cause you know, that could be the case. :blink:

Rev only qualifiers to bigger events kinda sounds pretty cool. A really big fun fly for points. What kinda Mega Fly do you think you could get out of an event like that??? ;)

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 01:15 PM

There's nothing preventing us from running exactly what you've described, a Rev only (multi-line actually) event, with individual, pairs and team, say at Kite Henge... Put ballet in the forefront, run precision in the back (heck - we can even drop the freestyle portion of precision if we want - do compulsories only)... All the while, still earning points towards AKA.

However, I'm of the opinion that this is cart before the horse... We're still a dozen or so serious quad fliers short in the NW, but that's probably no more than a year away.

Doing a Rev-centric event at Kite Henge has been on my radar since a few months before RevGuild started up, I'd love to see it happen perhaps in July of 2010 or 2011... Invite some "top guns" from other parts of the country, even the world, and make a real go of it with workshops, games, competition, demonstrations and learn to fly fields for the public.

A 50/50 focus on specific public outreach, which is something that US competitions severely lack these days.

But again, we need more fliers first. ;)

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 01:21 PM

your getting us there. Just threw a thought out there so when there is enough interest and skill there has already been some thought so getting something going has been in the works and won't take as long to put together.

out to fly, Enough wind for my vented. Come on Bazz... :P I'm patient, just Jonesin'.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 01:22 PM

You're right on Dean, not only do we need more fliers, but we need more like you who are so hungry. ;)

Don't let us stop you!

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 01:44 PM

Until YOU retire and quit flying, I'll always have a target to aim at :lol:
I think I can, I think I can..... :P

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 01:51 PM

Ha, retire? Quit flying?

Pffft, you better find something better to smoke. ;)

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#72 Dean750

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 01:57 PM

Then I guess I never have to worry about not getting better. :lol:
Just hope you can put up with my attitude. ;) But I'm sure you don't mind putting my feet back on the ground. :lol:

"So you think your pretty good eh? WHAP!!! Snap back to reality, this is how you do it...."

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 02:37 PM

I am a newbie to rev flying, less than a year and am having great fun.
In the past I have been a skydiving instructor and entered competitions as well but found for me it took some of the fun out of it.
At the moment I am having great fun learning and flying with others and have no plans to enter competitions.
I think that sometimes entering a scratch team at the last minute was fun where we had a set routine to complete was fun but having the months of training to comlete wasnt for me.

Keith

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 02:40 PM

You're right Dean, I love putting you in your place... Keep improving, so I don't have to (I mean that). :D

Keith, yeah, totally... Now, iQuad balances between "busking" (improv) and a set routine, we're pretty happy with it.

We're still not competing, and we don't meet to practice, except at events. ;)

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 08:12 PM

Oh, I'll improve but I'm sure you'll be putting me in my place for a while. Then one day YOU'LL get the whap!!! :lol: and you'll hear, "Are you going senial? What the hell are you doing? Trying to make me look good?" :lol:

Dean :lol:

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 08:50 PM

I look forward to that day Dean. ;)

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 08:54 PM

I look forward to that day Dean. ;)



I'm sure you do. But how can I feel good about it if your flying while holding a walker? :lol: Besting a geriatric for a second won't be all that gratifying. LMAOROFL

Man we need some better smileys in here. I need my pardon me....

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 08:56 PM

Sure it will... Me and Stevie D talk about it all the time, racing each other to set up our Revs, ala wheelchair. ;)

It's only the 360s that will be a real :censored: !!

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 09:01 PM

I just remembered I'm like almost a year older than you. :lol: I'm worried about walkers :wacko: :lol:
So it's down to who has the fastest motored chair or who has the fastest roadies. :lol:
Guess I should start stocking up on SLE's to stick in your all's spokes. :lol:

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 09:03 PM

Yeah, but my spokes WILL be SLEs... That'd be kind of redundant. ;)

Okay, okay...

:offtopic:

(equally responsible)

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