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#1 Jynx

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 10:54 PM

Question:
Regarding 1.5 standard and mid-vent Rev shafts/spars (specifically the "B" series)...

As a newbee, I would appreciate "Simple" advise for the use of (and the terms "shafts" vs "spars") for the following: :g:

SLE
4-Wrap
3-Wrap
2-Wrap
Race frame

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 12:21 AM

Question:
Regarding 1.5 standard and mid-vent Rev shafts/spars (specifically the "B" series)...

As a newbee, I would appreciate "Simple" advise for the use of (and the terms "shafts" vs "spars") for the following: :g:

SLE
4-Wrap
3-Wrap
2-Wrap
Race frame

Thanks!
Jynx :cat:



Wrap = the times the rod is wraped

Wind Range: 1.5
3-10 mph (2 wrap frame SUL, Pro Use ONLY)
4-16 mph (3 wrap frame UL SLE)
6-20 mph (3 wrap frame w/2 wrap weight, Race Frame)
7-25 mph (4 wrap frame Not SLE)

Wind Range: "B" series
3-10 mph (2 wrap frame)
4-16 mph (3 wrap frame)
6-20 mph (3 wrap frame w/2 wrap LE added)


http://www.answers.com/topic/shaft

http://www.answers.com/topic/spar

http://www.answers.com/topic/rod

http://www.answers.com/topic/frame

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 12:41 AM

For the B-series vented:

5-20 mph (3 wrap frame included)
6-30 mph (4 wrap frame included)
10-45 mph (4 wrap frame w/3 wrap LE added)

Semi-vented maximums would be roughly half way between the standard I guess (ie 3 wrap is to 18mph) but to be honest that is getting far too precise IMHO.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:23 AM

Hi Sailor99,
I was going thru the Rev gallery until I saw this uniqe picture of this stake, The Robin Heathson Sailor stake, may I know what is the purpose of this ?? Is it a stake to hold down a big kite like a Rokkaku ?
I have this dog stake minus the top, I used it for my single line big kite.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 02:37 AM

It is used for dogstaking - ie you pass all 4 lines through it, and fly your kite right next to you. There are some videos round here someplace of JB dog staking. There is also a section on the B series DVD
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 05:46 AM

I see the correct usage of the SLE was left out. Here is a picture that explains it all...

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 05:54 AM

Good point well made Alden! Forgot all about that.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 06:49 AM

It is used for dogstaking - ie you pass all 4 lines through it, and fly your kite right next to you. There are some videos round here someplace of JB dog staking. There is also a section on the B series DVD


Hi Sailor99,
Thanks for the infos, I totally forgotten about dog staking, I have yet to try it myself.
Cheers,
chris

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 07:31 AM

When you go out to fly, pop a set of rods in your kite.
If the kite feels too heavy and the spar feels stiff as a board (no flex), change to a spar with fewer wraps.
If the spar is flexing a lot, switch to a spar with more wraps.

The race rod covers roughly the range of the 2 wrap and 3 wrap.

There's some personal preference in choice of stiffness.

You'll learn fairly quickly with experience.

While you're flying your kite, the first question the guy walking out on the field to set up his kite will ask you:
"What spars are you using?" Feel free to ask the same question when you first walk out onto the field--we all do.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 08:41 AM

When you go out to fly, pop a set of rods in your kite.
If the kite feels too heavy and the spar feels stiff as a board (no flex), change to a spar with fewer wraps.
If the spar is flexing a lot, switch to a spar with more wraps.

The race rod covers roughly the range of the 2 wrap and 3 wrap.

There's some personal preference in choice of stiffness.

You'll learn fairly quickly with experience.

While you're flying your kite, the first question the guy walking out on the field to set up his kite will ask you:
"What spars are you using?" Feel free to ask the same question when you first walk out onto the field--we all do.


This is the method I prefer as well.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 09:16 AM

A picture is worth 1000 words! Now this one I understood, and I'm ready to try it! THANKS!

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 09:20 AM

Mike... You come to my rescue again! Thanks! Now that's a piece of info I WILL use, it all makes such simple sense even for a blonde! Greatly appreciate your help!

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 09:22 AM

THANKS TO EVERYONE!

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 09:18 PM

Due to blog suggestions, I have just ordered a set of Race Rods...

NOTICE:
I will not be asking anymore questions... I can no longer afford the answers!

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 11:01 PM

And always remember, when flying, no matter what rods you are using, it there is a LOUD crack in a gust of wind. And the kite becomes difficult to handle. The rods were probably not strong enough!! tee hee.

Been there, done that oops.

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 08:12 PM

I see the correct usage of the SLE was left out. Here is a picture that explains it all...



Ahhhhh.... memories of a great weekend :) ...

"Hi-Jynx" (gosh, I still think that sounds like fun...sort of like using the SLE on Antman ;) )
I'm sure Antman will let you practice on him... I think he likes it :lol: !!!
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