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#1 Hal

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 08:44 PM

Are the Advantage rods the same as a 2 wrap? I found two of these in my rod bin, still in the plastic bags with the Revolution label at the top. The labels are marked "1.5 SUL" Haven't taken one out to weigh against a 2 wrap yet.

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 09:38 PM

Are the Advantage rods the same as a 2 wrap? I found two of these in my rod bin, still in the plastic bags with the Revolution label at the top. The labels are marked "1.5 SUL" Haven't taken one out to weigh against a 2 wrap yet.

A rod labeled Advantage could be various wrap types.
However, the words 1.5 SUL might indicate a 2-wrap.
The only time I have seen something "similarly" labeled were the REV Indoor rods which are a tiny bit longer if I recall correctly. Please note I use the word "similarly", which does not necessarily mean identically labeled.
When I find were I misplaced my Indoor Rev, I'll check it out.

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 10:00 PM

Hal, are those Advantage spars a smaller diameter than the 2 wraps?

If so, they're old school indoor spars.

If they're the same diameter, it's hard to say without looking at them in hand.

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 10:53 PM

All 3 of the 1.5 SULs that I've owned over the years came with 2 Wrap Professional Use Only spars.

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 07:17 AM

Hal, are those Advantage spars a smaller diameter than the 2 wraps?

If so, they're old school indoor spars.

If they're the same diameter, it's hard to say without looking at them in hand.



The 2 wrap "Professional Use Only" rods for my SUL measure .28" O.D. and .25" I.D. and weigh 12 grams. the "Advantage" rod is .29" O.D. and .25" I.D. and weighs 16 grams. The 2 wrap rod is .14" longer than the Advantage. Appearances are almost identical, slight difference in the wrap of the fibers.

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 01:09 PM

if they are advantage 1.5 rods you have and are thinner then the 1/4 rods then you have the old indoor frame set.. very nice when cut down to a 1.5 sail for some sweet light wind flying
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Posted 12 July 2008 - 01:49 PM

The 2 wrap "Professional Use Only" rods for my SUL measure .28" O.D. and .25" I.D. and weigh 12 grams. the "Advantage" rod is .29" O.D. and .25" I.D. and weighs 16 grams. The 2 wrap rod is .14" longer than the Advantage. Appearances are almost identical, slight difference in the wrap of the fibers.

The weight of the REV rods definitely vary a slight amount. It would be almost impossible at the price they are sold for them to be exact.
I have seen variations in lengths of 1.5 rods, especially the SLE rods. The .14" difference should not be any problem.

I am guessing that you have slightly heavy 2 wrap rods or a slightly light 3 wrap rods. I found that the 2 to 3 wrap Rev 1. 5 rods have roughly 6 grams difference in weight each. You would have to calculate the ounces. You could try a flex test of your 2 wrap and 3 wrap rods and compare this to the Advantage rods. This should tell you a more.
Really, if I were to make a bet I would go for 3 wrap.

As for wrapping, the carbon fiber threads run just the length of the rods. There are two layers of these for the 2 wrap rod. What appears as wrapping threads around the rod, is not wrapping. That is the impression of the cellophane that is wrapped around the carbon fiber wraps for holding them to the metal mandel. After the rod comes out of the oven, the cellophane is taken off the rod, thus the leaving an impression on the rod which appear to be wrapping, but aren't.

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#8 Hal

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 02:06 PM

John,

Thanks for all the information. How do you do the flex test you mentioned?

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 02:16 PM

Take a known 2 Wrap Professional Use Only or a 3 Wrap UL, carefully suspend it on both ends and apply a weight to the middle and compare how much the mystery spars deflect.

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 03:15 PM

Sounds to me like the rods could just me a mislabel. It happens occasionally. I'm gonna guess that they are 2 wrap rods.

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 04:27 PM

Just curious, where did you get those strange rods?

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Posted 13 July 2008 - 07:09 AM

John,

I got them from GWTW shortly after Steve and Chris took it over from Dan W, can't remember just when. I ordered a bunch of spare Rev rods at the same time and these two (end rod & center section) were in that order.

BTW, I took a look at your new web site - Verrry impressive!

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Posted 13 July 2008 - 08:30 AM

John,

I got them from GWTW shortly after Steve and Chris took it over from Dan W, can't remember just when. I ordered a bunch of spare Rev rods at the same time and these two (end rod & center section) were in that order.

BTW, I took a look at your new web site - Verrry impressive!

Okay, that it explains it all. Dan had a huge stock of REV spares at the time. So, those rods could be from back a few years earlier.
Do those rods have extra wraps on the ends? They would be a bit thicker on the ends, then the rod produced today.

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