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[Jeepster]

... Now the Silver labels are on the Race, 2 wrap and 3 wrap I have not seen them on 4 wrap rods yet but that may have changed. ...

They are also showing up on the 4-wrap rods.

Tom

[FortFlyer]

They are also showing up on the 4-wrap rods.

Tom

Ahhh thanks, I figured it was only a matter of time.

[Vincent]

I'd like to know if there is new things to know about the different rods.
In a shop the price is not the same between the "Ultra light" (14 euros) and the "3 wrap" (20 euros) for example.
And i see no differences in the Revkites main site.

Edited by Vincent, 27 December 2009 - 02:20 PM.

[Kitelife]

Sometimes there is confusion because of how STORES list their spars, and because of the new silver labels being used since 2008.

Can you post a link to the store page with that pricing?

I can answer better with an example.

[Vincent]

Here it : http://pagesperso-or...ts/fr/p229.html

[Vincent]

Ok !
You tell me about the Silver Label. I think I understand know.
I knew the spars with Gold Label on my "old" Revkites and the Race Rods but not exactly what ares those new spars with Silver Label and feathers.

[Kitelife]

Hmmm, the details seem to be very limited... I see reference to both SLE and EXP on that page, but they use different spars in the leading edge.

I'd say they need to be a little more specific on their page.

Here is the list of spars and how to identify:

• 2 wrap + "Professional Use Only" on gold label + 2 feathers on silver label
• 3 wrap + "Ultra Light" on gold label + 3 feathers on silver label
• 4 wrap + "Revolution Equipped" on gold label + 4 feathers on silver label
• Race Frame is silver-labeled as Race Frame.

I have not included the SLE (very large diameter) in this list.

Typically, 2 through 4 wrap are the same price, with Race spars being little more expensive.

[Vincent]

Thank you Kitelife for the response.

[Kitelife]

My pleasure.

If your selected vendor has good service, I'm sure they'll be willing to clarify their stock and pricing for you.

[Vincent]

I will tell you.

[visual]

I just noticed that on the kiteshoppe website, there are a couple of new items
1 - zen frame sets for the series 1
2 - zen frame sets for the series 1.5

site states that they will be available in the later part of January 2010


The question is what advantage is it to own a zen frame set for the 1.5?



Theresa just contacted me and my Zen if being sent via UPS and I should be receiving it before this weekend

Edited by visual, 12 January 2010 - 06:52 PM.

[revmoe]

hello all, nOOb here.

i have been reading and learning a lot. looks like a great forum/community.

there are several threads on rods and specifically the rods in the various 1.5 kites.

i am now reasonably clued into the various wraps and labels.

haven't seen this issue posted (it's probably here somewhere) and it seems worth mentioning.

i started with an EXP and now have an SUL.

the FULL frames are interchangeable but the individual RODs in the leading edge of the EXP are not exactly like the others...

the CENTER rod is a typical looking 3 wrap with 2 female ends...

while the END rods in the EXP have 1 internal ferrule each, and one female end each.
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the SUL has the more common "double ferrule" center rod.
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so my question, is this EXP an old model/rod arrangement?

the kite was sold as brand new, packaged and purchased from a brick/mortar store in person.

not that i'm planning to break rods (yeah right) , but the 2 end rods in the leading edge of the EXP are odd balls?

thanks

'moe

Edited by revmoe, 21 March 2010 - 10:42 AM.

[RevWizard]

The rods themselves are identical to the UltraLight 3 wrap rod with the exception that the label is missing on EXP rods.
It is only the placement of the internal ferrules which makes them "look" different. The ferrule is removable.
The ferrules can be pulled out of the outer rods and re-glued to another rod, such as both to the internal rod.
Easier would be to remove the ferrule from one outer rod and insert and glue it in to the other outer rod. The use the previous center rod as an outer rod.

There is a history behind ferrules which takes a bit more time to detail. I'll try to remember to write something specific in the near future.

[Stone in Shoe Bob]

The rods themselves are identical to the UltraLight 3 wrap rod with the exception that the label is missing on EXP rods.
It is only the placement of the internal ferrules which makes them "look" different. The ferrule is removable.
The ferrules can be pulled out of the outer rods and re-glued to another rod, such as both to the internal rod.
Easier would be to remove the ferrule from one outer rod and insert and glue it in to the other outer rod. The use the previous center rod as an outer rod.

There is a history behind ferrules which takes a bit more time to detail. I'll try to remember to write something specific in the near future.

A tip for the Noob, use hot melt glue from a glue gun, sticks strong enough to do the job but allows easy removal if necessary, simply by warming joint, then carry a lighter and glue stick for on the field repairs.

[RevWizard]

A tip for the Noob, use hot melt glue from a glue gun, sticks strong enough to do the job but allows easy removal if necessary, simply by warming joint, then carry a lighter and glue stick for on the field repairs.

I don't think I would do this in a hot climate such as Malaysia, Mexico, Southern Cal, Spain and etc. There is too much chance of the ferrule slipping and splitting a rod.
For those flying in the north it should be okay.

[revmoe]

The rods themselves are identical to the UltraLight 3 wrap rod with the exception that the label is missing on EXP rods....


There is a history behind ferrules which takes a bit more time to detail. I'll try to remember to write something specific in the near future.

thanks john, i would enjoy reading the history.

yep the rods are identical.

not sure i want to TRY pulling out the ferrule just yet.

i would hate to break a rod doing some NON flying thing,

but will look into just how firmly stuck IN the solid segments may be...

cheers

'moe

[Jeepster]

... not sure i want to TRY pulling out the ferrule just yet. ...

When you decide to try removing the ferrule, try this method first. Hold the rod straight up and down with the ferrule pointing downward. Then drop the rod a foot or so onto a piece of hardwood. You might have to increase the distance and/or repeat it several times. You want to take advantage of the "brittle" nature of the adhesive and "break" the joint. I've used it successfully several times.

Remember that arrow shafts (that's close to what our rods are) will take quite a shock in the linear direction without any damage. The twisting and tugging approach has a greater chance of damaging the rods.

Cheers,
Tom

[Stone in Shoe Bob]

I don't think I would do this in a hot climate such as Malaysia, Mexico, Southern Cal, Spain and etc. There is too much chance of the ferrule slipping and splitting a rod.
For those flying in the north it should be okay.

I don’t know what the melting point of glue sticks is but I wouldn’t have thought it was that low. However I am happy to bow to your greater experience.

[revmoe]

When you decide to try removing the ferrule...

how'd ya know tom,


that my URGE to tinker is strong and resistance is futile...

... try this method first. Hold the rod straight up and down with the ferrule pointing downward. Then drop the rod a foot or so onto a piece of hardwood. You might have to increase the distance and/or repeat it several times...

still being at the "gotta fly every day, if possible" stage...

i took out the exp, just after 9 inches of fresh fallen snow, MAN was that fun!

((nylon will return to original shape as it dries....RIGHT?))

back at the ranch, while checking over the bits, i decided to try the "drop" approach to ferrule removal...

ok, the drop was un intentional but DID pop a ferrule loose, perfectly.

adhesive scraped away i NOW had the option to 1. put it back OR 2. make a 2 ferrule center rod...

i opted for #2 using the ONLY available glue in my kit...

i dont' think it's gonna come out so easily next time...
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...You want to take advantage of the "brittle" nature of the adhesive and "break" the joint. I've used it successfully several times...

hey folks WHAT is the factory glue for these things ?

it has sorta a GREEN tint and scrapes off easily (feels like a HARD waxy filler, rather than a high tech adhesive)

cheers


'moe

[stroke survivor]

I've owed a Rev 1 for 14 - 15 years that came with a 4 wrap LE. It has stood up to everything I can dish out!! Just recently got a race frame for it, but only use it when the winds are smooth and lower! A lot of wing puts so much pressure on those rods, I'm a little careful when the wind gets up! I have to admit though, the race rods are so nice in the 1!!