Agreed. I still find this a real struggle. I can just about keep it in the air, but as for any proper flying.........Gonna be interesting learning some tips for light wind flying.
B-Series, B-Series Vented or Mid Vented?
Started by Dean750, Jun 24 2008 09:56 PM
Best Answer steveb, 25 June 2008 - 11:04 AM
I have 3 versions of the B-Series and have found that the Mid-Vent gets flown the most.
It does give up something at each end of the wind scale compared to the Full Sail and Vented, but it has been pure enjoyment in the range in between.
I would recommend a set of Race Rods and 4 Wrap Equipped, along with 50# light wind lines and 90# lines for maximum wind range.
If the winds are smooth and steady, the Full Sail definitely has the low wind advantage, but I've found that the Mid-Vent handles light and turbulent winds with more control. The Full Sail can be sensitive to poor winds and can tend to luff, where the Mid-Vent filters out a lot of the swirls and gusts and flies smoother in the bumpy stuff.
There are no free lunches- if you gain something at one end, you lose something else at another. The Full Vent can be slightly 'mushy' at times, where the Full Sail can be a bit 'skittish'. The venting filters out a lot of minor over-corrections and bumps in the wind, giving it a smooth and forgiving flight style. You do lose some of the Full Sail's quick response and tighter feel though.
IMO, the Mid-Vent is the best of both worlds. It keeps most of the strongest points of both models while not giving up too much at ether end.
disclaimer: I'm just a guy who likes to fly kites. An Expert wouldn't have the same limitations as I do.
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 01:50 PM
Over - Jeremy
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 02:07 PM
It crashed out after 6 mins 26s, no credits etc!?Hrm, Google cut the last half of the video off during the upload... Uploading again, should see music credits at the very end.
1 of the 47.
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 02:29 PM
same here choccy,still worth watching,,,,,,
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 02:30 PM
Well, credits or not I'm sold on which B-Series to buy. Just hope John and Revolution Kites maybe take my suggestion so I don't have to buy a frame set that could be sold comparably anyway with the race rods. I say this kite kills the Std.
Maybe give the buyer the choice of the 2 and 3 wrap or 3 and 4 wrap set of rods? Good PR if thats the tactic. Show relation to the customer based on thier local flying conditions. In my area, I'd offer the carbon fiber handles and 90# 80' line set. Charge $360 for the package. Make John's Gold colored handles an extra few dollars. Std black handles included. But make darn sure the foam doesn't break the glue and start sliding around. Maybe use epoxy to solve that problem
For those that choose the 3 and 4 wrap rod set, they'd get the standard 13" handles. Metal. For those in say Choocy or Sailors area they would get a standard 120' 150# line set.
I believe the standard if the sail was made of Icarex and the lightest bridal would be Rev's new indoor, 0 to 10 mph kite in the full sized sail.
Dean
Maybe give the buyer the choice of the 2 and 3 wrap or 3 and 4 wrap set of rods? Good PR if thats the tactic. Show relation to the customer based on thier local flying conditions. In my area, I'd offer the carbon fiber handles and 90# 80' line set. Charge $360 for the package. Make John's Gold colored handles an extra few dollars. Std black handles included. But make darn sure the foam doesn't break the glue and start sliding around. Maybe use epoxy to solve that problem
For those that choose the 3 and 4 wrap rod set, they'd get the standard 13" handles. Metal. For those in say Choocy or Sailors area they would get a standard 120' 150# line set.
I believe the standard if the sail was made of Icarex and the lightest bridal would be Rev's new indoor, 0 to 10 mph kite in the full sized sail.
Dean
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 02:56 PM
Viola, outer mid-vent in action...
http://video.google....909849294099641
Race frame, 3-6 mph, approximately 35' of 90#, using my 9" top leaders.
Just under 12 minutes worth of video, continuously filmed (uncut).
Please pardon the music, but it's not too bad for royalty-free.
Awesome video John ... humbling as ever.... ordering one tomorrow on the basis I will instantly be able to fly like that
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 03:49 PM
Erg, Google is still hiccuping on that file upload after several tries... Going to try another format, take a while to upload.
Will post a note when I verify that it's all working.
Will post a note when I verify that it's all working.
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 04:11 PM
Okay, slightly lower quality, but full length...
http://video.google....401199214108405
Working on a much better quality file, just to see if they'll take it.
http://video.google....401199214108405
Working on a much better quality file, just to see if they'll take it.
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 04:32 PM
Awesome video John ... humbling as ever.... ordering one tomorrow on the basis I will instantly be able to fly like that
JB
I mean this with all due respect, affection and humble adoration, YOU SUCK......but in a good way.
. That vid is awesome! You make low wind flying look effortlessCurious tho what was playing in your headphones at the time???????
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".....Race Rods & 120s......of course!"
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" BD
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 05:25 PM
Mostly disco (Saturday Night Fever), soul funk, maybe some ACDC... 
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 05:52 PM
Okay, just uploaded a higher quality MPG, but I'm not sure that Google took advantage of it with their conversion...
http://video.google....688913625085784
Which one looks better, the link above, or this next link?
http://video.google....401199214108405
Detail seems better on the first one, no?
http://video.google....688913625085784
Which one looks better, the link above, or this next link?
http://video.google....401199214108405
Detail seems better on the first one, no?
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 06:13 PM
the second link on that post looks better i think .. however all of them show great detail on all of the flying skills you peformed in that video.. so it is written that you like the outer midvent better but at least we know that you also have the i quad inner mid vent as a piece of history and in october we must present these kites and do a small 3 person mega fly with them as a favor to me and the other owner of the midvent inner panel..john b what do you think of this future plan???
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 06:28 PM
Sounds like a great idea, I'd just have to remember to bring mine.
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 10:36 PM
Well after watching how the kite itself handles the direction given I think we have a winner.
seems like a sweet ride even in the light stuff which will make me happy as i've grown to dislike full sails.
Had a feeling 1 vent would work out great and seing how it performed without a doubt that outter vent is the balls, you can see the air passing over the sail and having the right amount dumped during certain moves.
Oh great flying too can tell you were in the groove, Oh! and will you please gain some weight ya skinny little 
lol christ i'm gonna look like 4 people standing next to you.
seems like a sweet ride even in the light stuff which will make me happy as i've grown to dislike full sails.
Had a feeling 1 vent would work out great and seing how it performed without a doubt that outter vent is the balls, you can see the air passing over the sail and having the right amount dumped during certain moves.
Oh great flying too
can tell you were in the groove, Oh! and will you please gain some weight ya skinny little lol christ i'm gonna look like 4 people standing next to you.
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 10:48 PM
Outer vents it is the JB.Thanks for the post and info.
BRIAN...
Shipped to you on Friday
Hope you get it Monday
Thanks!
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 10:53 PM
You mean this will be part of the Revolution lineup
sweet deal.
For now, it's still a custom order.
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 10:55 PM
Shannon! Nice, no, Great job on the video!!
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 04:47 AM
Hehehehehe! Cooooooooool! 
Everytime I watch you fly, I realize how much I have to learn tho... Sigh.
Everytime I watch you fly, I realize how much I have to learn tho... Sigh.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 05:05 AM
OK, you have some talent [envy].
Hope we have a light wind day at the clinic - would be a great learning opportunity.
Hope we have a light wind day at the clinic - would be a great learning opportunity.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 05:32 AM
OK, you have some talent [envy].
Hope we have a light wind day at the clinic - would be a great learning opportunity.
Hmm! I thought that Portsmouth was either high wind (big tents torn in half) or low wind (nothing) the last time I was there!
Chances are that there will be some light winds at Blackheath in the meantime.
As noted elsewhere 11:00am is the meeting time if anyone is interested.
There is an agenda. Jay was on the case on the 22nd June. (it was 'high wind')
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