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#1 Love2fly

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 05:54 PM

Hello Rev Peeps...

Yesterday, I was flying at the beach I always fly at. There were people all over the place, so I waited 'til there was a space where I couldn't hit anyone while doing slides or whatever. The people in closest proximity weren't bothered by me as I had asked them. While setting up, a middle aged female came over to see if I needed help to fly it. I explained how these fly and she told me that she loves to fly kites and then walked away. About 10 minutes later, an older female came over to me and told me not to fly at this beach and that I almost hit her... I wasn't anywhere near her and I told her so. I explained that I was in control of the kite and that I could stop it and do whatever I want it to do (perhaps not as good as you all :kid_smartass: ,yet) . She disagreed with that stating that the wind is controlling it. She went on and on. I told here that I wasn't moving as I had a right to be there and wasn't hurting anyone. She then called the police. The officer told me that there is no law prohibiting me from flying there, but that if I hit anyone I could be sued. For the next hour or so while I flew, all I kept hearing is how I don't know how to fly and that they wanted to cut my lines. This is the best spot for me to fly and most convenient. A lot of people already know me there and can vouch for me that I'm not a threat in any way. What would you do?
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Posted 02 June 2008 - 05:57 PM

file harrassment charges :kid_brooding:

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 06:02 PM

I'd organize a Quad festival with manditory dive stop manouvers during the mega fly's :kid_devlish:
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Posted 02 June 2008 - 06:02 PM

I would keep flying there and hope that miserable person was just a visitor to your beach and not a resident. Sounds like the kite was making her nervous (and or she was pissed that she couldn't fly it). She could have moved to another spot tho. I saw you fly last weekend, you certainly are in control of your rev.

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 06:11 PM

I would keep flying there and hope that miserable person was just a visitor to your beach and not a resident. Sounds like the kite was making her nervous (and or she was pissed that she couldn't fly it). She could have moved to another spot tho. I saw you fly last weekend, you certainly are in control of your rev.



Thank you. I wanted to make sure that I wasn't being stubborn or something. Nah. I wasn't. Yes, they could have moved to another beach :kid_devlish: ... hmmm or state :kid_smartass: .
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Posted 02 June 2008 - 06:22 PM

Laura, I would keep flying there, choosing the best spot you can, picking the right length of lines.

While flying, just illustrate your control, and moderate the amount of wind window you're using.

May be a good time to practice landing your wing tip in a cup or something. ;)

These people can't be there all day, every day...

IMHO, it's just a matter of trimming your space and maneuvers for an hour or two.

They're the insecure jerks, it's THEIR problem... As long as you stay true, and try to balance it all out.

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 06:37 PM

Laura, I would keep flying there, choosing the best spot you can, picking the right length of lines.

While flying, just illustrate your control, and moderate the amount of wind window you're using.

May be a good time to practice landing your wing tip in a cup or something. ;)

These people can't be there all day, every day...

IMHO, it's just a matter of trimming your space and maneuvers for an hour or two.

They're the insecure jerks, it's THEIR problem... As long as you stay true, and try to balance it all out.

Feel me? ;)



I do. That's pretty much what I did. Well, except for the wing tip in a cup...that'll be good practice! The sad thing is, they wouldn't understand the control, as they think the wind is controlling it... :doh: .
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Posted 02 June 2008 - 06:40 PM

Illustrate, illustrate, illustrate.

It's about all you can do. ;)

Of course, you could buy me a plane ticket...

I'll come out and steal their picnic basket with my Rev, then see what they have to say! :blue-cool:

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 06:44 PM

I'll come out and steal their picnic basket with my Rev, then see what they have to say! :blue-cool:


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Posted 02 June 2008 - 06:51 PM

I'll slip him some brownies. :P

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 07:41 PM

Illustrate, illustrate, illustrate.

It's about all you can do. ;)

Of course, you could buy me a plane ticket...

I'll come out and steal their picnic basket with my Rev, then see what they have to say! :blue-cool:



John,
That is something to ponder... I would love for them to see you handle them. Would they think you're being controlled by the wind, too? hmmmmmm....
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Posted 02 June 2008 - 07:44 PM

Were you flying on 120' lines or short lines?
I always go to the short lines (down to 30' sometimes) if the beach is crowded. I'll fly over top of areas that aren't suitable for walking/sun bathing too. There's a big thick patch of Wild Roses that I fly over when there are a lot of civilians around.
I work on very slow, controlled flight and avoid making noise with the kite.
It only takes one complaint to City Hall to get kites banned, so I do everything I can to avoid annoying people.
I try to put on a show, with a few single lines kites too.

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 07:45 PM

But Yogi what about the Ranger ?



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Posted 02 June 2008 - 07:49 PM

Well Laura, if the goal is to educate... A couple of ideas for you.

Take some ribbon and make 2-3 little circles in which to land your kite, move from one to the other, taking off and landing.

Put a hook on one wing tip get something you can pick up and move around.

Think classroom, like drawing a picture.

These things are easily done... Maybe not smoothly at first, but definitely within reach.

Also, it's just good practice. ;)

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Worst case, kill 'em with kindness... Offer to teach 'em how to fly!

(or - play dumb and let 'em show you how much they know - then it'll be clear how much more control you have)

Assuming you've got a spot where there are no cars, logs, or anything hard that your kite might hit, I'll happily replace a spar or two for you if a break happens from a simple crash.

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 08:18 PM

How about a dogstake session, doing a tip stand on your head? That will show pple a thing or 2 abt Rev control :kid_devlish: .

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 08:19 PM

*chuckle*

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 08:28 PM

Well Laura, if the goal is to educate... A couple of ideas for you.

Take some ribbon and make 2-3 little circles in which to land your kite, move from one to the other, taking off and landing.

Put a hook on one wing tip get something you can pick up and move around.

Think classroom, like drawing a picture.

These things are easily done... Maybe not smoothly at first, but definitely within reach.

Also, it's just good practice. ;)

==

Worst case, kill 'em with kindness... Offer to teach 'em how to fly!

(or - play dumb and let 'em show you how much they know - then it'll be clear how much more control you have)

Assuming you've got a spot where there are no cars, logs, or anything hard that your kite might hit, I'll happily replace a spar or two for you if a break happens from a simple crash.



What do you recommend using for the hook? I'll definitely do it. It's great practice and people will "get" what I'm doing when they see me pick up a ribbon. (Of course, that's what you're saying) ;)
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Posted 02 June 2008 - 08:34 PM

Were you flying on 120' lines or short lines?
I always go to the short lines (down to 30' sometimes) if the beach is crowded. I'll fly over top of areas that aren't suitable for walking/sun bathing too. There's a big thick patch of Wild Roses that I fly over when there are a lot of civilians around.
I work on very slow, controlled flight and avoid making noise with the kite.
It only takes one complaint to City Hall to get kites banned, so I do everything I can to avoid annoying people.
I try to put on a show, with a few single lines kites too.



Hi Steve...
I was flying on 85' lines. "Those people" were easily 150' from me. In fact, the older one was on the other side of a ramp, another 10'-15' away. My path with the slides wasn't near them.

I usually put up some SLK's (I didn't then) and I always let the little ones "fly" with me and then I give 'em a little SLK of their own. These people never gave me a chance.
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Posted 02 June 2008 - 08:36 PM

The local beach patrol knows me by now. I play with them and the 4 wheeler they drive by in often. If they stop I land on it and some sometimes we will race across the wind. I have to wonder what would happen if someone complained to them? I try to respect the folks on the beach and I will either use shorter lines or move down the beach a bit when it gets too congested. HOWEVER sometimes folks are just plain stupid. When they set down their blanket between me and my kite I figure they are asking for it. I wanted to get some more pictures last Saturday of the kite with a Shuttle launch in the background but being a Saturday afternoon launch, it was just way too packed with shoulder to shoulder people. I'll just catch it next time when it's on a weekday. Kind of common since. I would hate for someone who is only here for a week to ruin my flying several times a week all year so I try not to fly too aggressive anywhere near someone that looks afraid of the kite..

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 08:37 PM

How about a dogstake session, doing a tip stand on your head? That will show pple a thing or 2 abt Rev control :kid_devlish: .



Clin,
Perhaps in the fall, when the beach is empty, I'll give it a shot. That's totally cool, but I'd want to practice it a bit before bringing it public. :kid_smartass: After that, the show is on :kid_devlish: .
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