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#81 RevWizard

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 10:38 AM

So the "stationary bicycle" is better referred to as a pinwheel?

Make it more and it is the bicycle or cartwheel?

Bart

For the stationary, "pinwheel" or "spin" would be more correct names. I would favor pinwheel.

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 11:18 AM

I would agree that "pinwheel" is a better representation. I had described them as "bicycle turns" was well.

Watty's fly forward, 180 turn, fly reverse didn't respond well for me.

Katrina's looking beyond or ahead sorta worked once or twice, but then I lost it.

The little arcs inverted and upright have worked the best but I need to tap the tips on the ground to properly visualize it all at this stage. As the others have mentioned my mind seems to like the moonwalk version better but I've resisted going in that direction until I get the standard one sorted out in my head.

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 01:55 PM

"Pinwheel" is how I shall describe a stationary spin from now on. When I perform one, it totally reminds me of the pinwheel plastic spinners I'd play with as a kid.

I would use "Hadzicki Shuffle", if only I could confidently pronounce the name... :blushing:
I still think the terms "Cartwheel" and "Bicycle" should be used to describe 2 different tricks, even though they are so similar.... Tapping the LE tips to the ground really makes the presentation different. I like them both, and the Moonwalk, very much :)

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 02:19 PM

Maybe "cartwheel" should be the ground touch version and "bicycle" remains in the air only? I like "moonwalk" for sure and agree that the "pinwheel" reminds me exactly of a pinwheel when I was a kid.

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 03:34 PM

As bicycle and cartwheel have been used interchangeably for the same maneuver for around twenty years, I would suggest coming up with another word.
This will eliminate any future confusion.

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 03:35 PM

How about groundroll?

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 03:43 PM

Tumble?

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 05:04 PM

Hey! I like that.

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 07:34 PM

Hey! I like that.


Cool! Posted Image

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 07:07 AM

Tumble sounds good to me!

Attempting this trick after having a couple beers could be called the "tumbler" :lol:

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 09:42 AM

Pinwheel is a perfect description, only thing is it's already used to describe a team maneuver. :blue-confused: "Spin" isn't nearly as nice a descriptor.

Bart, don't forget you've been practicing in inland winds. I bet your cartwheels will be absolutely perfect the moment you hit the coast.

I haven't been touching the tips! :blink: Will have to try that.

Another thing I found helpful: I stopped trying to do cartwheels, or I guess bicycles, and did nothing but clockwork practice right next to the ground for about 20 minutes. Went back to bicycle, suddenly better!


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Posted 09 August 2011 - 10:47 AM

Yes, 100% correct on the inland winds. I'm hoping to verify if I really know anything on the beach again then work out the kinks on that and anything new I can before bringing it all home. Last year I noticed that the week in ocean breezes make a positive impact in coping with the inland stuff so I want to build further on that.

Maybe it has to be a "pinwheel spin" then since the team version is not really a spin if I remember correctly?

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 11:56 AM

I think johnnmitchell is right regarding names and confusion.... Since "pinwheel" is already in use, maybe we should come up with a new name.

"Fan"? "Windmill"?

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 12:27 PM

I am working, ever so slowly, on some Flash animations for the bicycle and moonwalk.
I'll post here the URL when they are ready.

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 12:45 PM

I am working, ever so slowly, on some Flash animations for the bicycle and moonwalk.
I'll post here the URL when they are ready.


Not wishing to impose any pressure whatsoever but have you any further thoughts on the Super 16?

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 12:54 PM

I second this as a good "neutral" stance.


In a strong breeze it may be counter-intuitive to try to hold ones arms straight down but I am finding that the ability to 'throw forwards' to stop and 'pull backwards' to accelerate is good if the kite is set on full brakes.

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 01:17 PM

Not wishing to impose any pressure whatsoever but have you any further thoughts on the Super 16?

Felix

I have been enjoying a very nice summer with a lot of work outside.
I have not put much thought into Super16 recently. Do you have any additional ideas and preferences?

J

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 10:02 PM

So when ever you guys decide what it's called I am happy to say that today I was able to do some passable stationary bicycle rotationsPosted Image for six to eight rotations before it fell apart:lol:. Very satisfactory to see, I can't await for the across the window spins:rev_clockwork:!

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 10:04 PM

I have been enjoying a very nice summer with a lot of work outside.
I have not put much thought into Super16 recently. Do you have any additional ideas and preferences?

J


No additional ideas at this stage. Just need some practical experience!

Glad to hear that you are enjoying a nice summer. We've not had much of one in the UK...

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 02:34 AM

No additional ideas at this stage. Just need some practical experience!
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Then again, I had wondered about 'rolling the grid'! <gins>

Only a quarter turn one way, you understand...

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