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#21 Kitelife

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 09:30 PM

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 10:46 PM

Great when it all clicks into place, isn't it Laura.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 04:49 AM

The hover will happen.

It happened for me at Treasure Island. It was the couple days of flying and I realized without thinking about it I was flying upside down (and relatively stable).

Now every time I fly I find myself flipping the kite over and holding it in a hover for as long as I can.

Next get a power blast, they seem to like flying inverted more than upright!

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 05:54 AM

Next get a power blast, they seem to like flying inverted more than upright!

Do you know alden, now I have got the hang of it I think the 1.5s are happier upside down too! So much so that I have designed a piece of applique I am considering at the moment to be the right way up when the kite is upside down!
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 07:29 PM

Great when it all clicks into place, isn't it Laura.


Hi.
It sure is. I'm able to take off inverted, finally... :kid_content: and then rotate it 180 degrees and fly forward...now I need to slow it down and make it a smoother transition...and it might look like John did it :kid_devlish: ...or not...wishful thinking :sign_kitelife: . I'll keep you all posted.
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Posted 26 April 2008 - 01:15 PM

Once you 'get it', the inverted hover is one of the most stable positions for a Rev.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 11:37 AM

I seem to lose altitude with my inverted hover.
But then I don't like to fly with too much brake tied on.
(which the likes of Stephen H coach others to do eg Sailor has his lines tied with lots of brake on).

Maybe this is why I am struggling to keep it going - also hurts my lower arms after a while (?)

It feels odd to fly Sailor's kite with the lines the way he likes (It's a real effort to get it airbourne) ;)
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 11:57 AM

Other people have told me that I have a lot of brake on too.

Trying to gain height, or even maintaining it can be difficult in reverse. You try to add a little reverse and the next thing you know you are being too heavy handed and you start to wobble. It does come, and gently does it. Walking forward, counter-intuitively, helps with gaining height without wobbling IMO. Having watched the Stig flying, I have come to the conclusion never to be wary of moving back and forwards!
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 12:17 PM

Other people have told me that I have a lot of brake on too.

Trying to gain height, or even maintaining it can be difficult in reverse. You try to add a little reverse and the next thing you know you are being too heavy handed and you start to wobble. It does come, and gently does it. Walking forward, counter-intuitively, helps with gaining height without wobbling IMO. Having watched the Stig flying, I have come to the conclusion never to be wary of moving back and forwards!



The current Mrs Jones learnt to do an inverted hover today ... much quicker then I did! .Hmmmph!.. unlike the recommended method to learn, its seems easier were we fly to learn higher up the window rather then from an inverted take off as there is a grass bank upwind that makes the air a little 'dirty' down low.... I too set up with a lot more brake then when I started and I think this and learning higher up meant less over doing it trying to get off the ground and thus more success/confidence/understanding earlier.. Make sense?

Oh and she can buy her own Revs from now on!

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 12:20 PM

Other people have told me that I have a lot of brake on too.



And Sailor I know I am the last one to talk but do you think us people of a certain 'shape' use more brake because otherwise the bottom of our handle would keep hitting our stomachs?? just a thought looking at the pictures of us finely honed athletes performing yesterday!

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 01:03 PM

I am fortunate to fly in an area with generally very smooth winds and seldom have to deal with the challenges that bumpy winds throw at you.
If you can, treat yourself to some beach flying and see how much easier it is to hold a stationary hover when you're not flying in random gusts.
Even in a smooth breeze I am doing nearly constant corrections to the amount of braking; trying to balance small changes in the amount of lift, to keep it in position.

My hat is off to anyone who can hold a steady hover in gusty inland conditions! B)

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 01:16 PM

Quote : My hat is off to anyone who can hold a steady hover in gusty inland conditions!

Ehehehe well leave your hat in Canada and come to Holland - Ginkelse Heide

And you''ll learn how to hover steady in really gusty winds

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 01:28 PM

The current Mrs Jones learnt to do an inverted hover today ... much quicker then I did! .Hmmmph!.. unlike the recommended method to learn, its seems easier were we fly to learn higher up the window rather then from an inverted take off

Well done to Mrs Jones. :)
I too 'learnt' from higher up the window.
I tried from the ground up but with the current set up I was just wobbling all over :lol:

When it first happened I felt a bit, well ummm when it first twigged :blush:
Like a bit of a Matrix moment after taking the blue pill.
Strange.
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 08:05 PM

And Sailor I know I am the last one to talk but do you think us people of a certain 'shape' use more brake because otherwise the bottom of our handle would keep hitting our stomachs??

I wouldn't know old chap. I don't suffer from that problem - I have a very arched back which tends to push my front out a little!

Mind you, having had a look at the photo's I really must have a word with my hair dresser and get her to stop putting those silver highlights in.
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 09:30 PM

When you guys fly team, is it a problem to move forward or back for inverted maneuvers? ...or is the whole team doing it in sync?
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 11:00 PM

Not totally sure I understand the question Laura, so if my answer doesn't make sense that will be why. The whole team moves in sync, but only in theory! So there are some issues when moving round. You have to watch out that you don't go and fly into someone else for a start, which when Sparky is around can be quite a challenge :) Also once all your lines become crossed, all the controls become kind of sloppy. Reverse particularly so, and I sometimes find myself slowly falling out of the sky with out a good back step. 120' lines helps with this, although the other day when we tried a little team flying (photos in the gallery) we were all on 80' lines, which adds and extra dimension of challenge ;)
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 11:36 PM

You generally do things in synch, either following or mirrored, but there is nothing to stop one person flying forwards while the next person follows in reverse. I did a bit of that with Terry when he was up at Parksville a few days ago. It's a good challenge!

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 01:14 AM

If you can, treat yourself to some beach flying and see how much easier it is to hold a stationary hover when you're not flying in random gusts.

Hello Steve :)

My first real *ahem* moment of clicking came when I flew on the beach at Berck with the smoothest sea breeze.
sweet. ;)
It's not been the same since being inland.

Love2fly> not sure the answer to your question as us newbies kind of cheated with only the most experienced fliers at the time doing the inverted moves. It was our first time flying together so didn't take it too seriously, just a few moves.
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Posted 01 May 2008 - 04:46 PM

Hi Rev Peeps...
What I meant...sorry for not being clear... :blush: was: If the whole team, or most, don't need to move around to fly inverted and let's say, I do as that is how I learned to control inverted flying, could or would that screw up a team fly? Or, am I missing the point, that stepping forward or back is until you learn to fully control the inverted flying. Of course, if the winds are very light...it's a different story...I know you have to step back to give the kite some gas; but then, everyone does.
I hope this is clearer. Sometimes, I think too much :confused!: ... I think :kid_smartass: . lol
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Posted 02 May 2008 - 01:04 AM

If you can try and watch some movie files of teams flying, that may help.
I think you'll find that they do move around alot during team routines.
No matter which orientation their kite is facing.

I've realised that I am still not standing close enough to others in a team situation.
My depth perception isn't too great either (being a cyclops pilot with purple hair). ;) {joke}
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